Curious what you’re referring to about Dennis. Kinda funny you say that considering this thread is about Rodney. And I definitely think Rodney should be in the hall of fame.
Rodney Morris Hall of fame??
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I agree....pool is a weird game when it comes to the Hall Of Fame topic. Gambling is a big part of the history of the game. Many times some of the best players would put tournaments on the back burner to gambling. Or in some cases, the player would never think about playing in a tournament, because it might ruin their action.
Would a streetball basketball player ever be enshrined into the Basketball Hall of Fame? Even if he beat Michael Jordan every time they played 1-on-1. Would a golfer who beat all the top players on the PGA tour in a gambling match be enshrined in the Golf Hall Of Fame? That is what sets pool’s Hall Of Fame apart from some other sports/games. I feel like it is not as cut and dry, when it comes to pool.
I would think that the BCA would rather not ‘glorify’ the gambling aspect of pool. Plus, it probably makes their job a little easier, when they look at tour wins, major titles, etc. I am not agreeing or disagreeing with this. Just looking at it from their take on it.
I really do not have a strong opinion on Rodney Morris being in the Hall Of one way or another. More just talking out loud.
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Where do I begin with this post? Danny Barouty is in Charlie Williams’s Straight Pool HoF. Even if there is a Contributors Wing ( I have no idea if that even exists for Charile’s ), there would be many people in before Danny Barouty. George Fels, for example. Bob Bynre for another. This is not a knock on Barouty.
We’ve been talking abiut the BCA HoF not Charlie’s HoF. I have no idea who is “everybody” that wants to put in top players whose majority of career is through gambling. If this were true, Grady Matthews and Keith McCready would have been in a long time ago. Pool has a history of gambling as a career. Of course there will be inductees with a level of gambling background.
And count me as someone who would have voted for Mussina. It is impossible to think that nobody considers him as deserving when over 75% of the all the people who do nothing but cover baseball voted for him.
Just curious regarding these feelings you have about Vivian and Dennis, which you claim may be keeping them out of the HOF?
I recall Vivian had an issue a few years back dragging her feet regarding the refunding of paid in advance entry fees for a tournament that eventually got canceled which she was promoting, which hopefully got resolved. Other than that, I’m just not sure what you’re referring to if you can enlighten us?
Regarding Dennis, I have no clue at all what you are referring to as far as character issues? He’s a big $$ player, no different than many top pro players are.
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Never anything bad about Dennis.
middleofnowhere
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Those people are generally in under various categories and contributions to the sport.
Just the thing with Melrose is all I can remember
Barouty was inducted in the "Unsung Hero" category of the 14.1 HOF. You and I discussed this back in 2017; see posts #20 through #23 of this thread: https://forums.azbilliards.com/thre...sten-hohmann-for-the-world-14-1-title.461359/
Ah, thanks! No wonder I didn't recognize the term. I'm consistent. I was surprised then, and I'm surprised today. Lots of people could be listed in that Unsung Heroes category.
I would say that Dennis has a pattern of rubbing players and fans the wrong way for the past several years. I think very recently, I've seen a slight change in his behavior. An example in the past was his finals against Max Eberle at the DCC 14.1 tournament. He was too busy watching Alex's 9-ball match, complained about how slow Max was playing, and gave up when Max was still several balls away. All of these things were just slightly annoying on their own, but in combination... it was a more than annoying. His blatant watching of Alex's match without any regard to his own match, for example, was pretty poor sportsmanship. He's done several things like that at the DCC.
9ballscorpion
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I have read about Dennis throwing matches, or doing some shady stuff, when in money games at times, and it just sounded really bad.
Have also read about Vivian having a bad character too, with the way she treats people.
I do not know these players, so I should not judge, but have read some bad stuff about both of them.
9ballscorpion
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Very surprising, because Karen has always been a monster player. So good, that she has competed, and won in the Men Pro events.
Maybe they don't care that much considering that, from what I've recently read, Buddy Hall is in their HoF.
My bad, I always forget that Charlie has his own HoF. too many organizations to remember who is with who.
As for Mussina, he's not a HoF. And even though you are right that the people who vote these guys in cover baseball all the time, you also have to remember that baseball is a big regional sport. the majority of the people who vote only go by what the stats say and do not include the eye test.
I was referring to people who have no tournament results on their record. I just feel like tournament results is the basis of their judging who gets in or not (the greatest player category, obviously). Of course gambling is a big aspect of pool, and almost impossible to ignore. I just do not think that the BCA gives someone’s gambling exploits much credence. It’s just so hard to judge, since many of the stories are 3rd person, and can often vary from person to person. That’s just human nature.
Not really sure why you mentioned Buddy Hall. He has won 2 US Opens, and 3 times was player of the year. I would definitely say his tournament record is Hall of Fame worthy. He obviously gambled, just like the majority of players.....but he has many tournament wins also. If you were referring to the Challenge of Champions situation, then that is a different discussion.
