I rest my case.Fred Agnir said:
Ronnie O'Sullivan to play pool this year
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pinkisntwell said:
You had a case? That you didn't understand it? You kept talking about money. And kept saying that obviously money isn't the motivator. Do you even pay attention to your own "case"?
Is it that if you love snooker so much, that you just talk crap blindly about pool in general without thought? Are you in that much pain that reading and understanding doesn't come naturally?
Rest your case. You had a question. I answered it. Maybe you learned something. I doubt your snooker ego would allow it.
Fred
Fred, I follow every single tournament on the pool trail, and watch every snooker tournament broadcast here in the UK. I watch ESPN events, Asian 9-ball tour, and every Matchroom event through DC++. A fortnight ago I attended every single session of the World Pool Masters. Who has had more exposure to both disciplines, me or you?
I am a huge cuesport fan, but I don't like to see the game of snooker being belittled. Simple as that.
I am a huge cuesport fan, but I don't like to see the game of snooker being belittled. Simple as that.
pinkisntwell said:
You said it, pal.
14.1player said:8-ball is a game universally acclaimed for being played by bar bangers and flares, and yet, suddenly, when a snooker vs. pool debate starts up, the game has nuances?!
There's bar 8 ball where safeties are dangerous to your health and bumping the cue ball 2 inches without hitting anything is not a ball-in-hand foul, then there is 8 ball played properly. My guess is that Ronnie is coming over to play the later ... but I could be wrong .... quick, just in case, someone post a picture of Ronnie so the folks in the pubs will be able to protect their wallets.
Dave
Here ya go.. Who said he had couldn't break clusters...DaveK said:
http://www.engr.colostate.edu/~dga/pool/normal_videos/new/NVA-19_rocket147_1997_bb.ram
bruin70 said:clearly, he will pocket everything,,,,,but i think his advantage would have been on tights pocket tables. these "relative" buckets that the pros play on makes the playing field equal. i would love to watch him anyway
Hey Bruin and others. It seems you think Ronnie is the greatest snooker player who has ever lived, and I have to say I agree. He really is one of the greateast snooker players ever. But, I saw a tape of him playing 9-ball at the Lakeside Open 9-ball tournament back in the 90s when he already was a top snooker player. And I can tell you, he lacked all the fundamentals of position play in pool and I never saw him running an open table except for a few balls. I mean, he really did suck ass. He kept running out of position and get this: missing a lot of relatively easy but long cuts. And the pockets were huuuuuge !
Having one of the greatest strokes ever will get you started but it doesn't make you a great pool player.
Just my opinion. But, I think it's great he's attending !! And I hope his 9-ball game has gone up a notch or two.
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zed9 said:
Great! does this mean "bullshit" ronnie is packing in snooker and playing 9 ball 4 ever more??? I hope so I cant stand seeing his bent nosed mug on the tv any more, he looks a like a pow oneminute greasy locks the next a shaved head, and all the shite he spouts, u 9ballers are welcome to him, what a winger. Always will be in the shadow of the great Hendry any way,
mjantti said:
i'm surprised he missed. i give ALL great champions the credit they deserve. it's simply a matter of adjustment. pool players have never bothered to learn snooker. with all that snooker money, i have to think they're too cozy here in the US, and don't want to make the effort.
bruin70 said:dude,,,that sounds like a slam. snooker players have position too, you know
Was not a slam. When someone says "wait till Ronnie has a wide open table, that will be a sight to behold" I have to question that statement. It is akin to saying "wait till we see someone miss an ERO against Ronnie and he has a wide open table with no problems, that will really be something...." yeah right. It is not a sight to behond when someone runs a wide open table, it is a sight to behold when someone runs a really tough table. Ronnie should have no problems with the latter but lets not fawn over him when he makes a easy runout. We dont see a pro making a 9-ball with ball in hand as special, making an open runout in 8-ball is not going to be "a sight to behold" either.
I think this was clearly down to preparation and mental attitude. If you have seen the Mosconi Cup matches in which he and Alex Higgins played, it is clear they had no respect for the game of 9-ball at all, and were trying some outlandish positional shots purely for entertainment purposes. They went into these tournaments without having hardly played on fast cloth, and with an arrogant attitude. It's clear O'Sullivan has matured, and has the right attitude about how to approach this venture.mjantti said:
Remember, this is 8-ball. Getting out of line and having to play tough outs will be a rarity.
Awesome, this thread has attracted snooker hooligans from over the pond! AZB is more global than ever!
The degree of difficulty in switching from pool to snooker is equal to the degree of difficulty in switching from snooker to pool, and I've never seen any evidence (of players) that suggests otherwise.
The degree of difficulty in switching from pool to snooker is equal to the degree of difficulty in switching from snooker to pool, and I've never seen any evidence (of players) that suggests otherwise.
At the first place,why did he want to join a pool tournament,when he's already one of the best in snooker,i would rather stick to snooker if i were him.
But i think he just wanna get more experience,or maybe tired of playing snooker for years.
I dont think he would win the pool tournament.Cause in the game of snooker,there's no safety shot etc.But in pool there is.He needs to get use to the game before joining the tournament.
So im just going to wish all the best to Ronnie.Hope u will win the tournament.Good Luck
Thank You..
But i think he just wanna get more experience,or maybe tired of playing snooker for years.
I dont think he would win the pool tournament.Cause in the game of snooker,there's no safety shot etc.But in pool there is.He needs to get use to the game before joining the tournament.
So im just going to wish all the best to Ronnie.Hope u will win the tournament.Good Luck
Thank You..
Pool players don't find snooker boring. It's just that they don't have much success playing it. They lack precision because their strokes are not tuned for the game. It takes a decade to learn to stroke like that. I mean of course you will find the game 'boring' if it's not going right. It's just another excuse, nothing else.
Don't let anyone kid you. Snooker is a fascinating game to play. I've only played it a handful of times, but it put a smile on my face every single time. The fact that my breaks were below 30 crap stuff didn't bother me at all. That huge playing surface, shiny red balls, small tipped wierd sounding cues, rounded small pockets, napped cloth. The sound of the ball when it hits the back of a pocket is completely different...man, I loved it!
Granted, our pool game does offer possibility of some shots which are next to impossible to execute on the snooker table. That in itself should make it more interesting to watch...BUT...it really depends on who is playing.
Players like Basavich, Jones, Williams...unbearable to watch, should be outlawed. O'Sullivan, Hendry and White along with many young guns are a joy to watch. There are more slow players at pool than at snooker I'm afraid.
Don't let anyone kid you. Snooker is a fascinating game to play. I've only played it a handful of times, but it put a smile on my face every single time. The fact that my breaks were below 30 crap stuff didn't bother me at all. That huge playing surface, shiny red balls, small tipped wierd sounding cues, rounded small pockets, napped cloth. The sound of the ball when it hits the back of a pocket is completely different...man, I loved it!
Granted, our pool game does offer possibility of some shots which are next to impossible to execute on the snooker table. That in itself should make it more interesting to watch...BUT...it really depends on who is playing.
Players like Basavich, Jones, Williams...unbearable to watch, should be outlawed. O'Sullivan, Hendry and White along with many young guns are a joy to watch. There are more slow players at pool than at snooker I'm afraid.
647km2 said:
Of course there are safety shots in snooker. Plenty of them. My favourite part of a snooker match is always when a player needs one or two snookers plus the remaining balls to win and he constantly tries to snooker his opponent. Trying to snooker someone with those small balls on that huge table is not an easy feat. Of course they manage to do it time and time again, and of course the other guy kicks or masses to the ball succesfully
It's jump shots that are not allowed in snooker, at least intentional ones to clear an obstacle.