Ronnie O'Sullivan to play pool this year
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fuxake said:
Shut up bitch. You wouldn't know what good snooker is if it slapped you in the face. Jealous punk
647km2 said:
Snooker is going through a tough period, there are only 5 ranking events this season, what with the expulsion of tobacco sponsorship. He said it himself playing on tv last night the reason he is going is for the money.
In response to the fuxake posts, this is not how all Brit cuesports fans feel
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Fred Agnir
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You belittled me. Don't you remember? It's still there, for cryin' out loud. What is up with you guys?14.1player said:Fred, I follow every single tournament on the pool trail, and watch every snooker tournament broadcast here in the UK. I watch ESPN events, Asian 9-ball tour, and every Matchroom event through DC++. A fortnight ago I attended every single session of the World Pool Masters. Who has had more exposure to both disciplines, me or you?
I am a huge cuesport fan, but I don't like to see the game of snooker being belittled. Simple as that.
Someone asked why pool players hadn't made the change to snooker. I answered. And it's the most reasonable answer considering that proof positive has already been given just last week that even players that are known less for shotmaking than they are creativity can win against top snooker players under the gun. And no, I'm not saying anything other that what I just said. So don't make up things that I'm not saying. Every top cue player given any amount of time to concentrate on another cue sport can reach the same level of potential. I've been saying that all along and have never changed from my opinion. There are enough reports at every level to confirm this.
You then insulted Americans. That makes you an A-grade A-hole. And it also means you can't don't want to have a discussion and you don't want to be open to ideas that are obviously foreign to you. Read my words. You can learn from them, if you're not so blinded by your loyalty.
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bruin70 said:dude,,,that sounds like a slam. snooker players have position too, you know
Simply not true. How many times do I have to say that there is already proof, video available that shows that this is simply not true. The pattern and position play in 8-ball(and 9-ball) brings up shots over and over again that are not in the game of snooker. So, shotmaking goes surprisingly down. I know it's difficult to believe if you (general) haven't actually seen a top snooker player switch over to pool. But it's happened so many times on TV, that it seems laughable that anyone would speculate rather than simply report what they've seen. And many of us saw Stephen Hendry missing easy shots. Many of saw Steve Davis missing easy shots. Many of us saw Karen Corr missing stupendously easy shots. Not because they are bad players, but because the position and shot at hand was simply not in their normal bag of comfortable shots. Am I not supposed to believe my own eyes?
If I hadn't seen top snooker players miss easy shots and pattern on pool tables, then I'd have nothing to say on this subject. But we (and I mean most on these boards) have seen with our own eyes WORLD CHAMPIONS not get out on easy tables. The buckets are buckets. But the balls are bigger, the patterns are different, and it's simple a DIFFERENT GAME.
Snooker players do not have the same position skills for 8-ball. How can anyone say that? If they don't play 8-ball, then they can't possibly have the same position skills. And vice versa.
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mjantti said:
Thanks M. I really appreciate someone else who has actually witnessed it rather than speculate. This is exactly the same thing I saw with past greats. And I'm getting insulted for reporting factual events.
I am 100% sure that given enough time, Ronnie O'Sullivan will become a great pool player if he wants. But, it's the hard work that, say, Karen Corr has put in that will do it. In his own words, what he has done in snooker means nothing.
Fred
How long have Ronnie been playing pool?
Yup,snooker may have safety shot,but its harder then pool,so i think Ronnie will be ok if he join pool tournament,since big balls are easier than small one
And i think the angle of him aiming the ball will be much better,its easier to pot pool balls then snooker.
Hey,i was wondering,have Alex Higgins ever join any pool tournaments such as Ronnie did?
Thank You
Regards...
Yup,snooker may have safety shot,but its harder then pool,so i think Ronnie will be ok if he join pool tournament,since big balls are easier than small one
And i think the angle of him aiming the ball will be much better,its easier to pot pool balls then snooker.
Hey,i was wondering,have Alex Higgins ever join any pool tournaments such as Ronnie did?
Thank You
Regards...
Having just tried playing some 3C, I'd like to make a small comment. When I tried playing 3C, the balls reacted somewhat differently and controlling the balls was not as natural. I'd think the same would be if a snooker player switched to pool. I think it would take time to learn how the new balls react and to re-learn speed control which is a large part of the game.
Comments about how snooker players were missing easy shots could be part of this since I'm sure that in terms of thickness of hit, snooker and pool balls react differently. I can't tell you how many times while playing 3C, I thin hit a ball and didn't get the angle of deflection I expected.
Comments about how snooker players were missing easy shots could be part of this since I'm sure that in terms of thickness of hit, snooker and pool balls react differently. I can't tell you how many times while playing 3C, I thin hit a ball and didn't get the angle of deflection I expected.
My .02 cents ....
I think it will depend on how flexible Ronny is.
Just because you having been driving a Miatta
and are good at it, Doesn't mean you will be that
good at driving a Jeep Grand Cherokee. The feel
is different. What you have to do is different.
When I was growing up, I played on 8 and 9 footers,
and on a Snooker table. I played with a guy,
Monty Nuss from Jetmore, Ks., that had run 2 consecutive
snooker tables before just using the 6 and 7. When I got
pretty good, I gave him some competition on a snooker table,
but he beat me 90% of the time, and I beat him 90% of the
time on a Pool table. That's is to illustrate that what Fred
said is correct, playing on a Pool table is a DIFFERENT game
than playing on a Snooker table.
MOST of the time on a snooker table, you are playing VERY
simplistic shape, nothing that hard at all. Nothing like having
to make a ball with inside english and have to go 3 rails
to get on the next ball. Snooker players have learning gaps
in the complete game on a Pool table, that accomplished Pool
players DO NOT HAVE. Doesn't mean they can't learn them,
but that shows up in how well they make the adjustment to
playing Pool. You snooker players make it sound like apples
and apples, when it is apples and oranges (what the Pool players say).
Safety play in Pool is not like snooker either, the psychology of
it is even different.
And even I agree, shooting balls without numbers reminds me
of screwing women whose name you don't know, it get boring
after awhile.
I have run into many Pool Players who had a GREAT EYE, but
was severly lacking in the other skills necessary to win at
8 ball or 9 ball. There is a difference between just playing
great Pool and being able to win. I am not the best Pool Player,
but I do know how to win, and that's why I am judged to be
a real tough opponent mentally.
I think it will depend on how flexible Ronny is.
Just because you having been driving a Miatta
and are good at it, Doesn't mean you will be that
good at driving a Jeep Grand Cherokee. The feel
is different. What you have to do is different.
When I was growing up, I played on 8 and 9 footers,
and on a Snooker table. I played with a guy,
Monty Nuss from Jetmore, Ks., that had run 2 consecutive
snooker tables before just using the 6 and 7. When I got
pretty good, I gave him some competition on a snooker table,
but he beat me 90% of the time, and I beat him 90% of the
time on a Pool table. That's is to illustrate that what Fred
said is correct, playing on a Pool table is a DIFFERENT game
than playing on a Snooker table.
MOST of the time on a snooker table, you are playing VERY
simplistic shape, nothing that hard at all. Nothing like having
to make a ball with inside english and have to go 3 rails
to get on the next ball. Snooker players have learning gaps
in the complete game on a Pool table, that accomplished Pool
players DO NOT HAVE. Doesn't mean they can't learn them,
but that shows up in how well they make the adjustment to
playing Pool. You snooker players make it sound like apples
and apples, when it is apples and oranges (what the Pool players say).
Safety play in Pool is not like snooker either, the psychology of
it is even different.
And even I agree, shooting balls without numbers reminds me
of screwing women whose name you don't know, it get boring
after awhile.
I have run into many Pool Players who had a GREAT EYE, but
was severly lacking in the other skills necessary to win at
8 ball or 9 ball. There is a difference between just playing
great Pool and being able to win. I am not the best Pool Player,
but I do know how to win, and that's why I am judged to be
a real tough opponent mentally.
Clearly you have never seen a single frame of snooker. Snooker has 100 times the safety of 9-ball. The break is a safety just like 14.1.647km2 said:
The whole discussion is a little pointless. I mean, we have those great (and I mean great) pool players. They know that there is a bunch of money waiting for them across the pond. They don't go, they don't even try to qualify for those events. Saying that they don't try because they find snooker boring is ludicrous.
I suggest we wait and see how the IPT goes. If the tournaments do happen and the money does get handed out I predict that the IPT tour will be flooded with snooker pros (assuming the IPT events don't coincide with big snooker events). They will have to put some work to win, but I think it won't be a problem after a while. Saying that Ronnie O' Sullivan, Stephen Hendry, Matthew Stevens or any other snooker pro of the top 20 (at least) can't run 8ball rack after rack is...... again, ludicrous.
I suggest we wait and see how the IPT goes. If the tournaments do happen and the money does get handed out I predict that the IPT tour will be flooded with snooker pros (assuming the IPT events don't coincide with big snooker events). They will have to put some work to win, but I think it won't be a problem after a while. Saying that Ronnie O' Sullivan, Stephen Hendry, Matthew Stevens or any other snooker pro of the top 20 (at least) can't run 8ball rack after rack is...... again, ludicrous.
We not saying that ...
A lot of the decision making has to do with
RATE OF RETURN. How much and how long
with you have to go before you will break even
or make money.
That is a consideration whether you are going
from snooker to pool, or vica versa. Granted,
I agree with you that it is much easier to go
from snooker to pool than pool to snooker, BUT
what we are saying is that the snooker player
winning IS NOT AN AUTOMATIC THING. He can
get there, but it will take work on his part, and
NOT taking it for granted. That's all....
I think the additional competition will be good overall.
A lot of the decision making has to do with
RATE OF RETURN. How much and how long
with you have to go before you will break even
or make money.
That is a consideration whether you are going
from snooker to pool, or vica versa. Granted,
I agree with you that it is much easier to go
from snooker to pool than pool to snooker, BUT
what we are saying is that the snooker player
winning IS NOT AN AUTOMATIC THING. He can
get there, but it will take work on his part, and
NOT taking it for granted. That's all....
I think the additional competition will be good overall.
When I first read this, I thought, Fantastic, now we'll see if these Olympian cue Gods are as great as the snooker snobs are always telling us they are.
But unless they (assuming Ronnie ends up not being the only one) jump in like Allison and Karen, it's going to be a lose-lose deal for us. If they win some and go home, we get razzed. If they don't do so great and slither home with their 8 mm cues between their legs, then they weren't really trying and the low-born game just wasn't worth their precious time.
I'll be pleasantly surprised if Ronnie's coming over here settles ANY arguments. Maybe it'll just quiet down the Sigel worshippers for awhile! Or the Efren idolizers.
But I've got to agree with those who say the stroking, etc. is so different you can hardly compare them. In a sense, it's like comparing grass-court and clay-court styles in tennis. Totally different sets of skills involved. Nobody can play equally well on both surfaces ... loopy, heavy top-spinning ground strokes that can eat you up on clay don't penetrate as well on grass and are tricky to execute with the low skidding bounce; and big grass-court serves and sliced approach shots only get you passed at the net all day on clay.
Players will adopt some strokes to help them succeed on other surfaces, but they're almost always best off on what they grew up with.
But unless they (assuming Ronnie ends up not being the only one) jump in like Allison and Karen, it's going to be a lose-lose deal for us. If they win some and go home, we get razzed. If they don't do so great and slither home with their 8 mm cues between their legs, then they weren't really trying and the low-born game just wasn't worth their precious time.
I'll be pleasantly surprised if Ronnie's coming over here settles ANY arguments. Maybe it'll just quiet down the Sigel worshippers for awhile! Or the Efren idolizers.
But I've got to agree with those who say the stroking, etc. is so different you can hardly compare them. In a sense, it's like comparing grass-court and clay-court styles in tennis. Totally different sets of skills involved. Nobody can play equally well on both surfaces ... loopy, heavy top-spinning ground strokes that can eat you up on clay don't penetrate as well on grass and are tricky to execute with the low skidding bounce; and big grass-court serves and sliced approach shots only get you passed at the net all day on clay.
Players will adopt some strokes to help them succeed on other surfaces, but they're almost always best off on what they grew up with.
predator said:
Around here and elsewhere in Canada it is quite common for players to play both snooker and pool. I was visiting one night with a very good snooker / pool player (I've seen him run centuries, and at other times several racks of 9 ball) and he was commenting on the Canadian Championships which often run back-to-back, 9-Ball then Snooker. He said that unless they reversed the order and played the snooker tourney first he would not enter the 9 ball tourney because if he played a week long 9 ball tournament right before the snooker his stroke for snooker gets messed up.
Dave
predator said:
A pool playing buddy told me an interesting little story the other day. We had been playing 9 ball and he was making banks from everywhere, as usual
Somehow we got to talking about snooker and he told me of a very memorable win he had years back. He needed the last three colors to win, but got out of position on the blue. He long banked it, but again got poorly on the pink. He played it 2 rails to the side, but again missed shape on the black, so he decided to try three rails to the corner and made it. While these shots are NOT recommened on a snooker table, I would have loved to see the look on his opponents face after that display.Dave
People say this because they don't understand a damn thing about 8 ball. And they think it a matter of status to love 9 ball, and hate 8 ball. Certainly they don't want to be confused with recreational bar bangers...Fred Agnir said:
If the IPT really kicks in, these same people will get to see how little they know about that game.
Off the top of my head, here are the pros that disagree with you about 8 ball: Tony Robles, Ginky, Steve Lipsky, Efren, Mike Sigel, and Gabe Owen. I'm sure there are more.14.1player said:8-ball is a game universally acclaimed for being played by bar bangers and flares, and yet, suddenly, when a snooker vs. pool debate starts up, the game has nuances?!
Did I hear universally acclaimed???