Rule Change Needed

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....I've seen this happen over and over in tournaments. Five games into a set a player will be presented with a shot that is best addressed by a jump. You see the guy walk 5 tables over and borrow a jump cue from one of his friends- I have even seen them borrow a jump cue from their opponent!!.

.... This is so wrong and so Bush, i cant believe there is no rule against it or is there? If there isnt, there sure as shinola should be. Play with what you started the match with and that should be 3 cues maximum.What you all think?
 
If they're gambling it really doesn't matter, and you should just talk about all of that before you flip the coin. I personally don't mind if the guy borrows it from someone else.

If it's in a tournament, and the rules state that you can only have 3 cues max. And/or only play with the cues you have, then follow those rules... If not borrow it.
 
I agree to some extent - Players should only be allowed to use cues they brought to the match unless they need to change their equipment in order to complete the match (for example, their cue is no longer playable). They should not be allowed to solicite the room for the best suited equipment for a given shot.
 
sky.. said:
I'm guessing he lost to someone who did that.
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LMAO. Yes, I guess that could happen, but, like Patrick said, if the guy is good enough to be able to borrow it and execute the shot, what is the difference if he brought it to the table or borrowed it?

Too many ODD rules in a match. Juat stick to the basics, or, set the rules before you play.
 
klockdoc said:
LMAO. Yes, I guess that could happen, but, like Patrick said, if the guy is good enough to be able to borrow it and execute the shot, what is the difference if he brought it to the table or borrowed it?

Too many ODD rules in a match. Juat stick to the basics, or, set the rules before you play.
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Agreed. In a way, he was doing you a favor. Instead of bringing his own jump cue that he's used to, and practices with daily, he decided to just borrow an unfamiliar jump cue from somebody else. :D


(always looking for the silver lining. :p )
 
I don't mind someone borrowing a jump cue when they're playing against me. The way I see it is they don't own one so probably don't use one too often & therefore are less likely to be any good with it. So far my theory has been pretty accurate.
 
Having too many golf clubs in your bag or borrowing a golf club or even a ball during the round would get you automatically disqualified from any tournament, professional or amateur. If your playing partner (stroke play) or match play opponent knowingly agreed to waive the rules by accepting that you would borrow a club, that would get them disqualified as well;)

Makes sense to have one universally accepted rule in pool but that can't happen anyway on any pool rule at all until the governing structure is clearer and subscribed to by everyone.

Personally would have no objection to an opponent borrowing as many cues as he wishes in a tournament or in a money match.
 
Sounds as if you want to boil the game down to a game of who owns the most toys instead of you is the the most skilled player.

Dick
 
I have let another player use one of my cues to gamble with me.Guess what he won.I don't mind I just played bad.I would let him use it againg if he asked me,but thats just how I am.I think if some one needs to get a cue from some one thats fine.I guess I am just a little different than most players.
 
shark3149 said:
I have let another player use one of my cues to gamble with me.Guess what he won.I don't mind I just played bad.I would let him use it againg if he asked me,but thats just how I am.I think if some one needs to get a cue from some one thats fine.I guess I am just a little different than most players.
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:confused: The clear majority of those players who have posted so far seem to generally agree with you, so on the contrary, you appear to be the same as most players:)
 
memikey said:
Having too many golf clubs in your bag or borrowing a golf club or even a ball during the round would get you automatically disqualified from any tournament, professional or amateur. If your playing partner (stroke play) or match play opponent knowingly agreed to waive the rules by accepting that you would borrow a club, that would get them disqualified as well;)

Makes sense to have one universally accepted rule in pool but that can't happen anyway on any pool rule at all until the governing structure is clearer and subscribed to by everyone.

Personally would have no objection to an opponent borrowing as many cues as he wishes in a tournament or in a money match.
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I absolutely agree with your assessment. There is absolutely NO REASON why anyone should be wasting valuable time at a pool tournament carrying around golf clubs. And it would waste even more time trying to find somebody else dumb enough to have brought pool clubs in, from whom to borrow.:-D

Seriously though, I think this would be a silly rule change. It seems too hard to enforce for one thing. Imagine a situation where two friends are playing on two tables next to each other. One has a jump cue and puts it between the two tables so they can both use it. He does in discretely at the start of the match, and nobody notices it. How do you know which player that cue belongs to? Suppose the friend is across the room. Guy walks across the room and gets the cue. "Oh, it's really mine," he says. "My friend borrowed it." Or "Oh, it's mine. I forgot it at that table after my last match."

I would say rules should only be changed when really needed. Things like this--that simply annoy certain players--do not necessitate rule changes. Now, if you wanted to make a complaint to the TD about this action being a type of slow play, I might agree with you on those grounds. If a TD wants to disallow it from a tournament, sure, it's his tournament. But just saying something is "Bush League" or "Irritating" is a bad reason for a change to the general rules, IMO.
 
shark3149 said:
Thats true but would most players give there opponent a cue to use against them?
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I would. Let me give you an example. In my last match-up, I loaned the guy my jump and he beat me out of enough money to buy his own...:D
 
klockdoc said:
LMAO. Yes, I guess that could happen, but, like Patrick said, if the guy is good enough to be able to borrow it and execute the shot, what is the difference if he brought it to the table or borrowed it?

Too many ODD rules in a match. Juat stick to the basics, or, set the rules before you play.
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I hate all the additional bar rules. Play by the rule book. Those rules are good enough. Nothing additional is needed.

The game is hard enough without trying to make it harder than what the pros have to abide by.
 
Cues

I never lend my playing cue, but have lent my Break/Jump cue for breaking or jumping to a friend, but I do not lend them to an opponent ever.

It is the opponents responsibility to have his own equipment there. I don't mind if he borrows a jump cue because if he was that good with one, he would have one of his own most likely.
 
I normally have two playing cues with me.The one I had played with for years and now my BHQ that I just cant seem to put down.I do not mind letting some one play with my back up cue as long as I know they will take very good care of it.Yes I have been beat out of enough cash with my own cue that the guy could but a new South West(still mad I went off for that much).
 
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Jude Rosenstock said:
I agree to some extent - Players should only be allowed to use cues they brought to the match unless they need to change their equipment in order to complete the match (for example, their cue is no longer playable). They should not be allowed to solicite the room for the best suited equipment for a given shot.
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Jude is obviously prejudiced against poor people.
 
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