Rule question -- freakiest scenario

[SJDinPHX]

Alls fair in....etc. etc.

Jay is correct as usual. This happens more times than one would think.
However, convincing 320 lb. "Red Neck Bubba" of the correct rule, may require extreme diplomacy.

Dick

 

[enzo]

You replace both balls in their original positions, as best possible, and then shoot again. It has happened in a tournament before. Good question.

i have no doubt you're right, but i saw this happen to hemma on the golf table. he was snookered on his ball, which was hanging, did a masse, the cb was DEFINITELY going directly at his hanger, his hanger dropped when the cb was on its way and they gave him a hickey, lol. true story.

 

[enzo]

I never liked the five second rule. Who's doing the counting anyway? The way most Tournament Directors have called shots like this, are when the player vacates the table and the other player takes the table it becomes his turn. Prior to that a player can look at a ball hanging on the lip for a few seconds to see if it falls. If it falls he continues shooting. If it falls later, after his opponent has taken the table, it spots back up.

i was watching freddy couples play greg norman on a VERY windy day. fred hit a put and it hung, but there was so much wind he kinda stood there for a second and then tapped it in. i thought for the amount of money they were playing for he should have given it at least another couple seconds. i since learned, i think, golfers need to mark or putt their ball in some reasonable amount of time. anyway, im not a big fan of the 5 second rule either. i guess the point here is, stay at the table for a few seconds if it is REALLY hanging.

 

[jay helfert]

i have no doubt you're right, but i saw this happen to hemma on the golf table. he was snookered on his ball, which was hanging, did a masse, the cb was DEFINITELY going directly at his hanger, his hanger dropped when the cb was on its way and they gave him a hickey, lol. true story.

Now that's a whole different animal there. The Golf game at Hard Times plays by its own set of rules. I wouldn't make a call there if they paid me.

 

[enlightphoto]

Colour me stupid, but doesn't the rule I posted in post # 6 in this thread not deal with this exact situation ?????

Dave

Dave:

Thanks for the quick jump on my backside. I'll color you pink, purple, or polka dot if you want, but I prefer not to color people stupid unless they really, really deserve it.

... but yeah, I got that in # 6. - perhaps I needed to be more clear;

"It'll be nice to know what the rule says - the next time I encounter something like that during play in the future" - as in "now I know", - thanks to your comment in number six. I wasn't being stupid or confused, and I hope I've further clarified myself.

Cheers,

 

[Peer]

I'd say, since Peer has the advantage in meanness, the ball should be placed back in the pocket and he keeps shooting.

Finally a voice of reason.

Unless his opponent has consumed "mass quantities" or has had a really bad day.

Oh jeez, I pretend I didn't see that part...

Yet, thank you Mr. Rubyron.

-- peer

 

[DaveK]

Dave:

Thanks for the quick jump on my backside.

Ya, I was a bit quick , but I did misunderstand your message, sorry about that. It just bugs me when these rules are freely available and folks don't bother to do their own research.

Dave

 

[philw]

As I was playing 9-ball with my buddy James the other night, he left a hanging five-ball. Since I'm very bad at shooting balls that sit in the jaws of the pockets, I took ample time to figure out what would be the appropriate speed & english to get the cue-ball up table for position on the 6-ball. This took me probably 45 seconds, and then when I went down to shoot -- and I'm not kiddin' -- the very same time as I stroke the cue-ball, the five-ball dropped by itself into the pocket, before the cue-ball got to it. Leaving no ball to hit, naturally also the cue-ball went straight into the pocket.

Everyone who watched the game got a good laugh out of it, seeing my blank "what-the-fu..." expression and perhaps even more so from watching yet another fight erupt between me and James. (Since James is this annoying insecure & low-self-esteem kind of guy, and I'm a champion in class & dignity, in the end I let him have the ball-in-hand that he cried himself to ;^)

However, my question is -- in a tournament do you spot the five-ball, and if so, what do you do with the cue-ball, or does the object-ball stay down and it's a ball-in-hand foul?

-- peer

I'm trying to figure out why you would scratch? You said the ball was deep in the jaws. How would you get back up table? I'm confused.