Rules and guidelines for selling items

i agree too..... sell the way you will... if noone buys it, then try some other way.... heck- i'm doing that all now.... go see my 'all long southwest.....' I think it's those who hijack the thread or flame the seller that's always the root of the troubles... no offense to any particular parties..... that's why in my threads i kinda submerge the flaming by stating the obvious why i would get flamed-and ask them not to...... seems silly BUT.... like when i posted all the SouthWest's Roy at IndyQ had- knew someone out there would call him a bum to deal with or say his prices suck or something negative..... so i put my little disclaimer in all my threads, keep my nose to my self and like my grandma said "if ya ain't got notin' nice to say, don't say notin' at all'
 
If it aint broke don't fix it !! You see somthing posted you don't like don't open the thread and look ! If your stuff is getting bumped to the back page to fast stay on here and monitor it ! One of the things I like best about this forum is the "Freedom" to post and move about as you wish ! I say Leave it alone !! And that's all I have to say about that............Bill
 
cincyman said:
I am new and only joined because of the rules we already have. I bought a cue my first day here-- have one for sale that i sold here and am hoping to buy another. I completely agree with tulane here. Go on down the street to change things.
I see that you have been a forum member for only a couple of weeks and your posts have been in the 'for sale' section so I have to assume as a newbie you don't understand the meaning of forum.

The American Heritage Dictionary definition of forum:

a. A public meeting place for open discussion.
b. A medium for open discussion or voicing of ideas, such as a newspaper, a radio or television program, or a website.

I just threw out some ideas for discussion, nothing more nothing less.

The majority of respondents to this thread added their thoughts, i.e. "an open discussion or voicing of ideas".

For you to tell me to "Go on down the street to change things" is a bit brazen to say the least.

Reread the definition of forum and toss out meaningful food for thought, ask a question or answer another member's question with a forthright answer.

Telling me to take a hike because you disagree with me is simply rude.
 
If something ain't BROKE why try to fix it. All my deals on AZ have gone smooth as a babies bottom. I believe that the AZ members, I've dealt with so far have respect for the game and their pool peers. Wish I could say the same for eBay.
The only drawback is people backing out of offers to buy, which I can live with. They have a right to change their mind, and if they don't really want the item. I would not feel right insisting they back up their offers.

Edited : sorry wjpjr didnt read the whole thread. At least we agree on not being broke.
 
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Wow, I'm curious as to what prompted this discussion... Aside from a few threads I've seen, I didn't realize there were unfair practices going on.

Okay, so I thought about and even started writing a whole bunch of neg comments about setting up rules here... Instead, I offer some constructive thoughts:

--Under the Wanted/For Sale section, separate commercial vs. individual listers.

--Allow PM's, e-mail, or pubic response for members expressing interest in buying something, asking the seller to initially specify how members should make a bid (offer to buy) for the item. For example, ... "if interested, send e-mail only, responders need to include a the cue in the subject line and a dollar amount with full name and location in the message, and the first 'best offer' response will have the first chance to purchase the item." ... something like that.

--AZ should explore the possiblity of adding RSS or XML subscriptions

--Review craigslist.org, and adopt some of their self-governing practices.

--AZ moderators should be responsible for mitigating fraud and inappropriate behavior only, members should self-govern each other.

Well, all in all, I've had positive experiences here... I've both bought and sold cues successfully here and I'm grateful that you all foster a terrific growing community of billiard experts.

Best regards, Paul.
 
billiardcue said:
Just a suggestion - some rules for selling items on this forum might be instituted, it would cut down the amount of useless posts to a seller's thread.

I frequent corvetteforum.com, they follow strict guidelines for this reason.

Below are their "rules and guidelines", you might check it out for some good ideas.


1. No commercial sales unless by a supporting Vendor.

See Savewave's comments below for more clarification.

2. No eBay links to promote/aid a sale.

The Corvetteforum is not eBay; we've had too many bad deals with eBay transactions and they have nothing to do with the forum. If eBay is disallowed, so do all the negative posts that will come from those bad transactions.

3. No "best offers."

Best offer sales are really no different than eBay. Bidding wars start and usually don't end favorably. Please set a price and stick to it.

All commitments to buy must be made in public!!! You must honor the order in which people respond. First to respond has dibs. No PMs allowed unless the person replies to the thread first. PMs are ok for transaction closing/address exchanges, of course.

Asking for pictures is not a commitment to buy, and the seller is under no obligation to refuse an offer from another buyer ready to purchase at his/her selling price sight unseen. (Added by cor07vette 1/14/07).

I don't care if the second person in line has cash waiting, if the first guy has a legitimate question and
is waiting for an answer, he still gets first crack at it.
Not following this guideline can result in you never having a For Sale thread ever again.

4. No hijacking of threads.

This means keep it on track. Only replies related to the thread can be posted.
If it is a for sale thread and you have the same item for sale, start your own thread. Do not link your thread in your reply.
If it is a "want to buy" you may offer your parts for sale by providing a link to your thread.

5. All sellers must have their profile filled out.

If a seller or buyer does not have a location in his profile, do not do business with them.
It seems that many of the problems we see deal with someone who doesn't want to disclose their location.
They are trying to hide something, my advice, do not deal with them.
If you are a seller, please include your location, Your Zip Code and part of your full name in your profile so that it is easily visible under your name when you post.(mod by AT&NB 1-27-07)
If you don't have a location under your name, your thread will be removed, no exceptions.
These deals are based on trust, if you can't trust people enough to let them know where you are
located, how can they trust you to send you money for parts sight unseen?
Naturally, if someone sends you money, they will have an address, but is it real? Is it a PO Box? Is it an empty house so you can fake your address?
If these bad deals keep happening (and I'm not talking about the scam artists who are new members, but longtime members who are just not playing nice), I will recommend that this section be removed from the forum.

6. Pictures are highly encouraged.

Digital cameras have never been cheaper than they are right now. If you can afford a computer with high speed Internet, you can afford even a cheap digital camera. Pictures should be of the highest quality available; nobody wants to see tiny or blurry pictures. If you have highspeed Internet, most providers give out a free storage area. I suggest you check into it and create a folder that is not password protected to store pictures in.

7. Bad deals may be posted as well as good deals.

Bad deals may be posted only after every possible attempt to resolve it has been tried and failed - only the facts can be posted. There will be no false accusations, name calling or insults.
Communication is your best friend in every transaction, be clear on how you want it handled.
If you can't agree on terms, then it's best to abort the transaction.
You may not reply to a bad thread unless you are one of the parties involved or have something constructive to add.
There will be no lynch mob.
People who reply with , or any other smiley or "TTT" will be disciplined.
If you are the creator of a "Bad Deal" thread, you must PM me with a link so that I can keep it under review. I don't always see every thread every day. If you don't alert me, the thread will be removed.

8. Be up front with shipping and handling charges.

Be sure to state how you will be shipping and how much you will charge. Most shipping companies will give you an estimate based on dimensions of the box, the weight and origin and destination zip codes. Just go to their website.
www.ups.com
www.usps.com
www.fedex.com
www.dhl.com

9. Buyer beware.

As always it is buyer beware, seller beware. If you are unsure of a person, check their profile, ask around (privately of course), there are many members here who know each other or know of people. This way you can find out if the sale will go positively.

10. Threads will be closed without warning

If you read these guidelines, the reasons for closing a thread have been stated.

Savewave and the other Admins add the following, which details the Forums rules about supporting vendors:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Savewave
1. Non-supporting vendors can't use the Forum to market and promote their goods/services.
We allow members to include a link in their signatures to their businesses so long as it
does not compete with a supporting vendor, is not Corvette related AND does not conflict
with any other Forum rules. The vendors involved do not fit that guideline and may not
use the Forum for promotion of their goods/services.

2. Forum members can post about a good experience they have had with a non-supporting vendor
so long as that post is not so specific (address, phone number, email address, URL) or so
frequent as to constitute marketing and promotion. The links included and repeated references
to some of those involved put them in conflict with our rules/guidelines.

3. There is some kind of rivalry and/or personal dispute involving one or more of these non-
supporting vendors that has resulted in personal attacks and repeated bashing. Forum rules
allow for the posting of a factual account of an unresolved dispute so long as every reasonable
effort first has been made to resolved the issue offline. After the factual account has been
posted, it goes into the archives and cannot be reintroduced on subsequent days and in a variety
of sections. The dispute in some of the links you provided is in conflict with those rules/guidelines

Bottom line: Nobody is exempt from Forum rules/guidelines. The vendors mentioned must stop using the Forum to promote their goods/services or risk being banned. The loyal followers of
each vendor much stop promoting the services provided by their friends because it has exceeded what is allowable. The bashing of vendors (supporting or non-supporting) and Forum members is always inappropriate and must stop.

11, Be specific in your descriptions.
Know your parts. Not every year is compatible.

The Black Book is very helpful in the basic stuff, if you are unsure, please state it and someone will chime in with the correct info.


12. You may only have one open thread per part.

If you created a post two weeks ago and it has disappeared, you can simply "TTT" it rather than create a new thread. If the thread has gone two pages without a sale, at that time let me know and I will close it and then you may start a new one. Posts with many replies and no sale tend to get confusing.

Use email notification when you post, this way you can go directly to the post when a reply has been made.

13. Parting out cars


You may part out a car, but please list all items available with prices(no offers remember?).

I do realize there are hundreds of parts and subassemblies available, but to avoid cluttering up a thread with requests, it's best to list as many as possible.

14.Shipping..

We realize that things in your life may happen that prevent you from replying or shipping goods in a timely manner. But if you have a vacation planned, please wait until you come back before you list anything. This includes medical procedures that were not an emergency.

Folks pay for stuff and they expect fast shipping.

For instance, I'm headed for FLA tomorrow, so I'm not going to list anything for sale or try to buy anything (well maybe buy) until I get home.

If for some reason the sale takes longer than normal and the day before you leave on a vacation the item sells. Make sure you tell the buyer that you won't be available. Or Post in the thread that you will respond when you get back.

15. When your item has been sold,
Please revise the original post so that others amd the moderators will know and can close the thread. In addition, if you have multiple items for sale, please update the first post of the thread as to remaining parts.

This thread is a living document and will be updated from time to time so be sure to check it from time to time before you post a thread. In addition, if you feel something needs to be added, PM me and we'll discuss it..

Great idea!! This will not only support the forum financially, it will stop all the unsolicited BS.
 
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