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chas522

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Hope I'm in the right spot to post a question. If not, please remove. Question: When racking the balls in any game, I read, (and now can not find in the rules) that - the lead ball can be UP TO 1/2 ball - in any direction - on the foot spot for a legal rack.
This is because, sometimes, there is a ‘dent’ in the exact center and the lead ball will not settle tightly to the rack.
Does anyone know where this rule is? Thank you.
 
I interpret it as head ball racked on the spot. I don't believe it specifies "center" of the spot.
 
on the wpa definitions page it says: “the foot spot, where the foot string and the long string meet”

for each game’s rack rules, it just says “on the foot spot”

there is nothing about being able to move the rack 1/2” high or low as far as i can tell.
 
Hope I'm in the right spot to post a question. If not, please remove. Question: When racking the balls in any game, I read, (and now can not find in the rules) that - the lead ball can be UP TO 1/2 ball - in any direction - on the foot spot for a legal rack.
This is because, sometimes, there is a ‘dent’ in the exact center and the lead ball will not settle tightly to the rack.
Does anyone know where this rule is? Thank you.
There is no such official rule that I know of. The foot spot is a point, not an area.

That having been said...

As you have noticed, on worn cloth it is often impossible to get the balls tight in the correct location because of the craters on the spot and also the other ball locations. In such a suboptimum situation, you do the best you can. The "correct" solution is fix the table so you can rack on the spot and not just somewhere close to the spot. Often the practical solution is to move the rack slightly forward so the head ball is pressed back against its neighbors by the far side of the headspot crater. You make do. I've done it many times.

With templates and such it is getting easier to get a tight rack in the right location.
 
on the wpa definitions page it says: “the foot spot, where the foot string and the long string meet”

for each game’s rack rules, it just says “on the foot spot”

there is nothing about being able to move the rack 1/2” high or low as far as i can tell.
1/2 inch and 1/2 ball (1-1/8”) is a big difference. I would say for tournament play, the head ball should never be racked more than 1/4” high or low which is often necessary to get a tight rack, even when using a template.
 
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1/2 inch and 1/2 ball (1-1/8”) is a big difference. I would say for tournament play, they should never be racked more than 1/4” high or low, which is often necessary to get a tight rack, even when using a template.
my mistake, i misread the initial post
 
Ball placement, with the exception of ball-in-hand of course, is very specific. The lead ball on a rack should always be at the intersection of the foot string and the long axis of the table. If there is an imperfection in the table that prevents a solid rack at that exact point (thank the local idiot who insists on slamming the lead ball with the cue ball until he can hear the slate cry) the rack should be placed as near to that point as possible. The nearest place behind it, then to either side, and in front of the spot as a last resort.
 
There is no such official rule that I know of. The foot spot is a point, not an area.

That having been said...

As you have noticed, on worn cloth it is often impossible to get the balls tight in the correct location because of the craters on the spot and also the other ball locations. In such a suboptimum situation, you do the best you can. The "correct" solution is fix the table so you can rack on the spot and not just somewhere close to the spot. Often the practical solution is to move the rack slightly forward so the head ball is pressed back against its neighbors by the far side of the headspot crater. You make do. I've done it many times.

With templates and such it is getting easier to get a tight rack in the right location.

Not sure how "official" the rule is, but I have heard that when there were issues racking in some tournaments the ref/TD has said as long as the ball is within some small area of the spot it is a good rack. I have played on tables where the rack area was so bad the only spot to get a good rack was so far forward that the spot was at the end of the head ball, which would be 1" or more past the real spot.

I think it's hearsay about the rule of being able to shift the rack if needed, I know I have that also in my head as something that is allowed, but I probably hear/heard that from someplace else. I think it's left up to the discretion of the ref/TD if moving the rack is allowed if a player is having issues racking, much like banging the balls in that is officially only allowed to be done by the ref.
 
I interpret it as head ball racked on the spot. I don't believe it specifies "center" of the spot.

I don't think that paper sticker spot is an official measuring thing, I am pretty sure there is no "official" spot sticker standard for size or even shape.

I think the rack spot is literally a spot (dot, point) where the measurement crosses.
 
I don't think that paper sticker spot is an official measuring thing, I am pretty sure there is no "official" spot sticker standard for size or even shape.

I think the rack spot is literally a spot (dot, point) where the measurement crosses.
The sticker that is placed on some tables to protect the cloth on smash break shots is not mentioned in the WPA rules. I don't recall seeing it in any official rule set. At one time the rules of carom explicitly prohibited the use of stickers on the table.

The foot spot is a single point, not an area.
 
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As you have noticed, on worn cloth it is often impossible to get the balls tight in the correct location because of the craters on the spot and also the other ball locations.

With templates and such it is getting easier to get a tight rack in the right location.
The template is an abomination. In my experience, with a ‘proper’ triangle, the required distance shift from the spot ’crater’ is usually inconsequential.
 
The template is an abomination. In my experience, with a ‘proper’ triangle, the required distance shift from the spot ’crater’ is usually inconsequential.

You not only need a good quality rack, you need a decent set of matched balls and a table not beat up in the racking area. A template rack makes all those things much less of an issue. IMHO the template racks are a big shift in pool equipment for the better. They offer pretty much no drawback past small nick picking like "it moves the balls when it's hit" and "it's too good of a rack" and has major benefits, tight consistent rack all the time, less time trying to get a tight rack, non-skilled pool payers can rack as well as anyone else using them, low cost, easy portability.

I would put the template racks and the LD shafts as the biggest two improvements to the sport in the last 40 or so years. Only thing that would equal them is better plastic for the balls from the old ivory and early plastic formulas, jump cues, and the quality and weave of the cloth that Simonis did. I can't think of anything else that had as much of an impact of how the game is played. Jump cues are the only ones one would argue made the game "worse" out of all of those, even if they did make a huge shift in the game as far as overall impact they had. Personally I would not put jump cues in as an "improvement" over what we had, they made a hard skilled shot too easy. The template rack just made the rack the proper way it should be, tight all around, even though it made breaking easier with that high level of precision.
 
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on the wpa definitions page it says: “the foot spot, where the foot string and the long string meet”

for each game’s rack rules, it just says “on the foot spot”

there is nothing about being able to move the rack 1/2” high or low as far as i can tell.
Nor is there anything about racking .000000000000000000000000001 inch too low or high either so lets make sure we have laser measuring equipment at each table and certified operators.
 
You not only need a good quality rack, you need a decent set of matched balls and a table not beat up in the racking area. A template rack makes all those things much less of an issue. IMHO the template racks are a big shift in pool equipment for the better. They offer pretty much no drawback past small nick picking like "it moves the balls when it's hit" and "it's too good of a rack" and has major benefits, tight consistent rack all the time, less time trying to get a tight rack, non-skilled pool payers can rack as well as anyone else using them, low cost, easy portability.

I would put the template racks and the LD shafts as the biggest two improvements to the sport in the last 40 or so years. Only thing that would equal them is better plastic for the balls from the old ivory and early plastic formulas, jump cues, and the quality and weave of the cloth that Simonis did. I can't think of anything else that had as much of an impact of how the game is played. Jump cues are the only ones one would argue made the game "worse" out of all of those, even if they did make a huge shift in the game as far as overall impact they had. Personally I would not put jump cues in as an "improvement" over what we had, they made a hard skilled shot too easy. The template rack just made the rack the proper way it should be, tight all around, even though it made breaking easier with that high level of precision.
The thing missing with triangle rack is an impartial and conscientious racker.
 
Nor is there anything about racking .000000000000000000000000001 inch too low or high either so lets make sure we have laser measuring equipment at each table and certified operators.

im not sure what you’re trying to say with this statement.
 
On a lag doesn't the ball have to touch the head rail?

No, it has to go to the foot cushion (the one near the rack area) then back towards the head cushion but does not need to touch it.
But what does this have to do with the question about racking?
 
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