Ruling

Neil said:
That's easy. Rule 3.26 under General rules. It's a ball jumped off the table.
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But it was Oscar's chalk. Felix told him several times to get his damned chalk off the table. (Also, there is no Rule 3.26 any longer.)

I've seen one fastidious player actually throw chalk left on the table at its owner. And I've heard that at snooker, it is considered unsportsmanlike conduct to place your chalk on the rail, at least in major tournaments, and that's certainly the way the players behave.
 
Neil said:
... But in the case of chalk, I don't see where it would matter whose it is. Normally it is the room owners, and that wouldn't be considered any different IMHO.
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I often use my own piece of chalk (well, chalk stolen from the room) and do not share chalk with my opponent. It depends on the game. I've been in bars where you really don't want to use the chalk provided, and maybe you don't want to provide chalk for the whole table.

At snooker and carom billiards, the player normally doesn't leave the chalk he is using on the table, at least in higher-level play. Snooker players have pockets for the chalk, and carom players may rest the chalk on the rail during the shot but will remove it at the end of the inning.
 
It is

a foul on Player A. When playing you can not leave equipment on the table, you have to keep one hand on it at all times, for example, when using the tip to line up a shot, you can not lay the cue on the table, you have to keep your hand on it.

Placing part of your jump cue, is creating an impediment to the normal play of a table, that was done with intention, and is a foul. The guys that are doing this need to be told to stop it, and put it by their chair or table, or on the damn floor. It is nothing but pure laziness on their part. It was not an accident, he placed in the pocket, and knew he did it, creating an impediment to normal play. At the very least, it could be unsportsman like conduct which would result in loss of game.
 
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Snapshot9 said:
a foul on Player A. When playing you can not leave equipment on the table, you have to keep one hand on it at all times, for example, when using the tip to line up a shot, you can not lay the cue on the table, you have to keep your hand on it.

Placing part of your jump cue, is creating an impediment to the normal play of a table, that was done with intention, and is a foul. The guys that are doing this need to be told to stop it, and put it by their chair or table, or on the damn floor. It is nothing but pure laziness on their part. It was not an accident, he placed in the pocket, and knew he did it, creating an impediment to normal play. At the very least, it could be unsportsman like conduct which would result in loss of game.
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WOW!
I come back from the pool hall to see over three score of posts on this. Thanks for the discussion. I read every post and will not discuss who owns a Predator Air Jump cue with a nick in it.

My own thoughts are and I believe it should be a rule:
When a player finishes their inning, all items must be removed from the playing area, except for chalk. The first time it happens a foul will be assessed to the offending player. The second time that a player leaves
personal equipment in the playing area, they will forfeit the game. If it happens a third time in the match, the match will be forefeited.

Kind of brutal but who wants to be distracted by sandpaper, powder bottles/bags, cue extension or any other piece of equipment including portions of jump cues.

When I come to the table the only thing I want to see is two pieces of chalk standing chalk side up, preferably one on each side of the table. :)

Yeah, while we're at it. There should be a penalty against opponents who remove the darn chalk when their inning is complete.

Anyway, it was a fun read. Thanks for the ride.
JoeyA
 
So I talked to my referee friend again last night about this matter. He thought about it some more and determined that in all liklihood, he would rule the shot stands as is. Player B would miss the shot and play would continue.

We went into it a bit further and we agreed there is an excellent chance if this happened at a BCA event and there were three referees on the scene, all three might have different opinions on what to do. His logic behind his ruling had to do with Player B's responsibility - it was his own fault for not paying attention even though it was Player A that left his jump cue handle in the pocket and cited several instances where a player can lose an argument for simply not paying attention. In fact, Player A could argue that Player B had fouled because a foreign object was left on the table and affected the outcome of the shot.

The end result of this - this very discussion is going to be brought up at the referee meeting in Las Vegas this year so that if it does happen in an official setting, there will be a consistent ruling on it.
 
Yippie !

Jude Rosenstock said:
So I talked to my referee friend again last night about this matter. He thought about it some more and determined that in all liklihood, he would rule the shot stands as is. Player B would miss the shot and play would continue.
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Good, that was my ruling back in post #4.
Doug
 
If you were to rule that the person who left the object in the pocket isn't responcible for a foul, but the person who shot next and didn't notice it is.... then what would stop the first player from doing something like that intentionally?

IMO foul for leaving your tool in the pocket of the table.
 
AZE said:
If you were to rule that the person who left the object in the pocket isn't responcible for a foul, but the person who shot next and didn't notice it is.... then what would stop the first player from doing something like that intentionally?

IMO foul for leaving your tool in the pocket of the table.
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I agree...

That addresses the source of the problem...
 
Smorgass Bored said:
Good, that was my ruling back in post #4.
Doug
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Hahaha. Yes but don't be surprised if you find a perfectly good referee give a different ruling. It's a very odd situation.

This is one of those things where we can all think about how we would rule in this situation but the answer we're really looking for is the one a ref would give. Fact is, there's a better than average chance you're going to get more than one ruling. It's like watching the justices of the Supreme Court discuss Constitutional matters. Everyone has something different to cite. Everyone has a difference in opinion. This situation is really kind of amazing.
 
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