Run this rack!

StevenPWaldon

StevenPWaldon

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Curious as to how people would approach this rack. I had an up-and-down last night, showing flashes of brilliance followed by complete brain farts. The below diagram was one of my more interesting racks I had to solve.

I chose the aggressive option and managed to get out from here. What would fellow AZBers do?

Some notes, since diagrams aren't always true to life:

- the 5-ball goes past the 6-ball a half point from the pocket, into the rail
- the 7-ball goes into the top right corner pocket, but has maybe 1mm to make a good hit.



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I would play position to the open side of the 4 ball. Then hit it to break the 5,6 loose while hiding the cue behind the 7 (hopefully just hard enough to nudge it up a fraction). Then BIH and run out open balls on one end of the table.
 
The safe on the 4 appears to be a good option at first glance....

It depends on how I land on the 3 ball....(as well as what the "pressure rating" of this game envolves)

If I land good will play for a shot on the 4-ball and break up the 9-7 cluster...

If I land just a bit off on the 3 it may make me adjust my plan to land on the open side of the 4 and play for a safe.

Of course this all depends on how much of a mess that 45679 is down there...It may be a lot easier or a lot messier than it appears on the drawing.


EDIT: It also depends on how I am feeling that day....If I land right I might play two rails off of the 3 in between the 4 & 5.....running into the 4 side of the 5.....Somedays you just know where the CB is gong......(Obviously some form of risk there since you could wind up on the other side of the 4 and hooked from the 4) ....But sometimes you just feel "on"....so to speak...
 
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This is how I approached the rack. Somehow, I felt perfect this rack. I came off the one on the perfect side of the 3. Not just good, but perfect so that all I had to do was do a straight follow to place the cueball inbetween the 5 and 4 ball. At that point, my only problem was speed control.

I felt confident, and followed the cueball straight down table (didn't use a rail) and landed dead solid perfect on the 4. I slow-rolled the 5-ball knowing it would drop at pocket speed.

I then made the 6 and stayed below the 7 to spin it in with inside (right) english. I thought it was better than coming above it and risking a bad hit, or the cueball getting away from me glancing off the 9. Once the 7 was down, the rack was solved.

This was by fay the most difficult rack I ran from the break, with technical precision. I'm sure we've all had that fluke of a runout that required a lucky bump or roll. But somehow I felt like I could pull this one off, and did!

BRKNRUN said:
EDIT: It also depends on how I am feeling that day....If I land right I might play two rails off of the 3 in between the 4 & 5.....running into the 4 side of the 5.....Somedays you just know where the CB is gong......(Obviously some form of risk there since you could wind up on the other side of the 4 and hooked from the 4) ....But sometimes you just feel "on"....so to speak...
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how about something like this?

This is my first effort with the cuetable, so please forgive me if it doesn't work.

The first shot must be hit pretty firm, obviously.
 
iba7467 said:
I would play position to the open side of the 4 ball. Then hit it to break the 5,6 loose while hiding the cue behind the 7 (hopefully just hard enough to nudge it up a fraction). Then BIH and run out open balls on one end of the table.
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I would pick the safe on the 4 as my 1st pick. if the runout is looked for here, I would go for the 4-5 combo and shoot from there. Too risky getting to the 4-5 split unless it was a non-critical game.
 
I would have played 2 rail shape with top right to get on the 3 for the lower left corner....call safe and pocket the 3 loeaving the opponent in a whole world of hurt.

If he misses the 4 I have BIH and he probably would have opened some balls on the foot rail for a sell out. If he moved no balls

If he hits the 4, he would absolutely change the scenery.

Given the super-human skill/luck of getting from the 3 to shape on the 4 into the upper right corner and/or the unpredictability of playing to break out the clusters on the 3-4 shot, I wouldn't have even considered a run out.


But GREAT that you did it! Set it up 5 times though and see what the outcome is. If you get out twice, then I need the 5-7 wild and the snap if I every play you!!!

(-:

PS: How did that abortion on the foot rail ever happen in the first place??? (-:
 
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Pocketing the 3 means I still have to shoot! This is 9-ball.

av84fun said:
I would have played 2 rail shape with top right to get on the 3 for the lower left corner....call safe and pocket the 3 loeaving the opponent in a whole world of hurt.

If he misses the 4 I have BIH and he probably would have opened some balls on the foot rail for a sell out. If he moved no balls

If he hits the 4, he would absolutely change the scenery.
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av84fun said:
I would have played 2 rail shape with top right to get on the 3 for the lower left corner....call safe and pocket the 3 loeaving the opponent in a whole world of hurt.

If he misses the 4 I have BIH and he probably would have opened some balls on the foot rail for a sell out. If he moved no balls

If he hits the 4, he would absolutely change the scenery.

Given the super-human skill/luck of getting from the 3 to shape on the 4 into the upper right corner and/or the unpredictability of playing to break out the clusters on the 3-4 shot, I wouldn't have even considered a run out.


But GREAT that you did it! Set it up 5 times though and see what the outcome is. If you get out twice, then I need the 5-7 wild and the snap if I every play you!!!

(-:

PS: How did that abortion on the foot rail ever happen in the first place??? (-:
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I would assume that you would check the 4-ball first to make sure it is frozen to the rail?

If it was not frozen....I see many a good players that know the daimond system that will kick to rails with proper speed to the 4-ball...nudge it over by the 5 and send the CB into the 7 freezing behind the 9

Obviusly not a high percentage shot, but they only have to do it once for it to completley turn the table on you.....
 
StevenPWaldon said:
Pocketing the 3 means I still have to shoot! This is 9-ball.
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Wow....I was so distracted by the potential kick safe that I completly forgot about that particular detail....
 
longhair said:

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how about something like this?

This is my first effort with the cuetable, so please forgive me if it doesn't work.

The first shot must be hit pretty firm, obviously.
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Just curious if there is a particular reason why you would choose that route from the 1 to the 3 versus following two rails out with the CB?
 
StevenPWaldon said:
Pocketing the 3 means I still have to shoot! This is 9-ball.
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You didn't read my post carefully enough. I said call safe and pocket the 3.
If you pocket a ball after calling safe, you are not required (or permitted) to continue shooting.

Regards,
Jim
 
i'd pocket the 1 with botom left to come back behind the 3 and then play safe with the 3 and let the oponent break up the cluster for me or give me ball in hand for me to have a better break out or play anouther safe.

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av84fun said:
You didn't read my post carefully enough. I said call safe and pocket the 3.
If you pocket a ball after calling safe, you are not required (or permitted) to continue shooting.

Regards,
Jim
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in 9-ball you dont have th eoption of calling safe to pocket and give up your turn. like apa, if you pocket a ball, your required to keep shooting regardless of safe call or not.

edit: this obviously will vary to some extent based on rules playing under, but generally applies to most 9-ball rules. i know this applies to both apa 8-ball and 9-ball and pretty sure it applies to TAP 9-ball as well. i was just looking at the wpa rules for bca and acs and while it does say you can give up your turn pocketing a ball with a safty in 8-ball it doesnt really say in 9-ball.
 
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BRKNRUN said:
I would assume that you would check the 4-ball first to make sure it is frozen to the rail?

If it was not frozen....I see many a good players that know the daimond system that will kick to rails with proper speed to the 4-ball...nudge it over by the 5 and send the CB into the 7 freezing behind the 9

Obviusly not a high percentage shot, but they only have to do it once for it to completley turn the table on you.....
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The 4 ball being frozen would have made no difference to me. Playing safe and pocketing the 3 ball...which is a perfectly legal thing to do...would present the opponent with a HUGE problem and would be my choice hands down.

Regards,
Jim
 
There are no call safes in 9-ball. If you pocket a ball, you must continue shooting. Pocketing a ball while calling safe only applies in 8-ball, 14.1 and banks.

av84fun said:
You didn't read my post carefully enough. I said call safe and pocket the 3.
If you pocket a ball after calling safe, you are not required (or permitted) to continue shooting.

Regards,
Jim
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StevenPWaldon said:
There are no call safes in 9-ball. If you pocket a ball, you must continue shooting. Pocketing a ball while calling safe only applies in 8-ball, 14.1 and banks.
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This just happened in a 9-ball tournament I was in 2 weeks ago, the guy stood there with his mouth wide open for a minute after he was explained the rules. Another reason you best be prepared beforehand for the game you are about to begin.
 
BRKNRUN said:
Just curious if there is a particular reason why you would choose that route from the 1 to the 3 versus following two rails out with the CB?
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Considering the way that I play, I am likely to stop short of the right angle on the 3 if I go forward. Plus, if I did get the right angle, I would be very far down the table. The way that I chose, if it goes bad I am still close to the 3 and might be able to figure out something else. I know that a better player might like the two rail shot better.
 
socks said:
i'd pocket the 1 with botom left to come back behind the 3 and then play safe with the 3 and let the oponent break up the cluster for me or give me ball in hand for me to have a better break out or play anouther safe.

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in 9-ball you dont have th eoption of calling safe to pocket and give up your turn. like apa, if you pocket a ball, your required to keep shooting regardless of safe call or not.

edit: this obviously will vary to some extent based on rules playing under, but generally applies to most 9-ball rules. i know this applies to both apa 8-ball and 9-ball and pretty sure it applies to TAP 9-ball as well. i was just looking at the wpa rules for bca and acs and while it does say you can give up your turn pocketing a ball with a safty in 8-ball it doesnt really say in 9-ball.
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SORRY...you guys are right. Brain cramp on my part.

WSR
5.1
If a player pockets any ball on a legal shot, he remains at the table for another shot, and continues until missing, committing a foul, or winning the game by pocketing the 9-ball.
 
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