Running a bar with pool tables - could something like this work?

Push&Pool

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I made this thread to help people who'd like to run a bar business (while having pool tables), and to get further advice and evaluation if I ever decide to open a bar myself. I'd like you to tell me if this bar would be successful and if there are things I should change. I made simple schematics in paint to help you get the point. However, please note that the place may not be so big, there could be less tables to sit, and maybe less games and two instead of three pool tables. It would greatly depend on the money I would be willing to invest. So this is how my fictional bar would look like, and pool would be one of key figures in this business:

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So you're probably wondering what's up with all those colors. Let me clarify:
• Grey – tables and chairs
• Brown - doors
• Blue – tap room (food and drink)
• Dark green – pool tables
• Light green – table soccer
• Orange – darts
• Black – betting machines, poker machines etc.
• Purple – flipper (or any other game, could be another betting or slot machine as well)

So, this bar would be a medium-sized place, located in or near city center (or in some other high-traffic area), with a TV, music and air conditioning. It would serve a large selection of drinks (alchohol and coctails included) and food. It would probably open at some time in the morning and close at 1 or 2 am (sometimes would work longer, especially on Saturday). There would probably be four or five bartenders working in shifts. As seen on picture, there would also be tables outdoors. Besides food and drink, our income would also come from different betting, poker and other machines, along with table soccer, darts, flipper etc., games which always attract the mob. I'd do my best to find a cheap yet effective way of advertising the place, though people would most likely come in since it would be placed in a high-traffic neighborhood.

Now to the pool part. I would probably try to get 2 or 3 7ft bar boxes, a set of bar cues and other pool equipment. It would all have to be cheap, maybe used, but not damaged. That would be my tactic not only for pool related stuff, but for the entire bar (including soccer, darts and remaining games) – get the cheapest, used items to minimize initial expenses, and rather have a larger place with more items of average quality (and low prices for food, drink and games), while maintaining a nice, pleasant atmosphere. Back to pool. I'd have coin op tables instead of table time system. The pool room (and the game room) would be partially isolated from the rest of the bar in order to prevent players being distracted, and to avoid people getting hit with flying CBs while having a drink with their dates. All types of players and all rulesets would be welcome. Damaging the equipment or bothering other players wouldn't be tolerated in any way. I'd try to keep some good players there regularly and give them free coins if they help and teach beginners. Speaking of free coins, I had this idea... When people order food or drink, they get 1-3 free coins per item they ordered, depending on the price of the item (the coins would also work for darts/soccer/flipper if they don't want pool). I'd also organize weekly low-fee tournaments for all players, with the dominant bar ruleset. Rewards wouldn't be especially high, but it would keep players getting back and winning another tournament.

What do you guys think? With a little luck, I think the variety of games, especially the pool room, the tournaments and the betting machines, would attract a lot of customers, who would then order food and drink, which would be my main source of money after all. Classic pool rooms are difficult and risky business today, especially outside the US and maybe Canada and a few Euro states, while a versatile bar like this could stand a much better chance of surviving and prospering, while keeping pool in town. Having a place with 3 pool tables where people could play without paying too much cash, along with low-priced tournaments, would be a potentially good addition to the pool scene in the area.
 

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If I honestly was going to invest a large amount of money in a venture like a Bar with Pool Table, I would have some expert like john Taffer the guy who does Bar Rescue on TV be my guide threw the process.

The one sow on Bar Rescue where the guy hasd a lot of Pool Table in the Denver Area, still made most of it mony off booze, beer, and food. The Pool table took up a lot of space, and wwere not high revenue producers.

A guy I know who owned a small Bar in Phoenix with 4 Pool Tables, business model was he was in the BOOZE & FOOD Business, and Pool Tables were something that kept the people in the Bar drinking longer.

He wanted th drink banger in his bar, not the world class water drinking pool players.
 
I gotta tell you, I really don't think any of those shows are real. Not the bar guy show, not pawn shows, certainly not towing shows. Anyway, I comment the younger guys who want to venture into the bar business. I know it can be lucrative, but I wouldn't want to deal with all the crap that goes with it.

I had a pool room with 18 GCs and a full bar. It is a far cry from a bar with a few pool tables.

In my opinion, a bar with a few pool tables is like adding fuel to the fire of drunken loud mouths.

On the other hand, a pool room with a full bar ( with alcohol priced higher than bars to dissuade patrons from getting shit faced in you place) is another whole animal. Add food, some diversity in activities, promote a club like atmosphere, and it is something you may be able to live with long term. Just my opinion. :)
 
There is a place like this that I go to play sometimes. They have about 10 tables on one side of the room and the other half is for people eating and drinking. The tables are coin op and they give you the option to pay by the hour. The food is excellent and NOT typical pool hall food. The place is packed for lunch with ALL types of people. Tons of flat screens everywhere.

It does get cramped on weekends and every night of the week. They seem to do very well. It's all about atmosphere to me. That's just me though. I'm not saying your idea would work as good as this establishment either. Location is key too. Golden Tee always draws a crowd and video poker.
 
I gotta tell you, I really don't think any of those shows are real. Not the bar guy show, not pawn shows, certainly not towing shows. Anyway, I comment the younger guys who want to venture into the bar business. I know it can be lucrative, but I wouldn't want to deal with all the crap that goes with it.

Well my point is there are business experts who can give you pointer, and get results. Problem is many people don't want to invest in the expert, as they don't work for free.

Some people will listen to friends who have never own a business, but have been to 100 Bars in the USA, or here they live in their life time, and that don't make em experts

Think most of the Bar in Phoenix Arizona could be bought today because our economy right now is still snot rebounding. A year ago the guy who cover a lot of table in the Valley of the Sun told me 100 small bar that were his customers folded.

Sitting on a Bar Stool watching all the sale go in the register, and people coming and going. Is nothing like looking at the Books, and a P & L Statement to show return on investment of time, and your money. That is IMHO the best way to evaluate any business.
 
pool room separate from bar area is a problem because in my opinion if you can't have eyes on the tables you are asking for trouble. pool tables aren't like video games or darts. you also didn't mention security and with the separate pool room then you will need someone birdogging the gameroom as well as the bar. the bar should reflect what you like but if you are the kind of customer that wants free water and lots of customer service for little or no money then you may want to consult a room owner that is sucessful that you like. good luck.
 
If you cant see the tables from the bar you will most likely have only the more hardcore players at the tables, not the guy who stops for a drink and says "hey, I think I can beat that guy". The bar where I play league at has 3 tables out in the open, a lot of guys get up from the bar, put their quarters up and grab a house cue to play. They may only play a few games but it keeps them around longer spending money and maybe even gets him back in the door next time. During the summer we do a small tournament every other week with a limit of 16 entries. It brings people in who all spend $$ on pool, drink, and food who normally would not be there during a slow week nite. To me it seems like a win/win for the bar owner, tables are not very nice but its the same for everyone.
 
If you cant see the tables from the bar you will most likely have only the more hardcore players at the tables, not the guy who stops for a drink and says "hey, I think I can beat that guy". The bar where I play league at has 3 tables out in the open, a lot of guys get up from the bar, put their quarters up and grab a house cue to play. They may only play a few games but it keeps them around longer spending money and maybe even gets him back in the door next time. During the summer we do a small tournament every other week with a limit of 16 entries. It brings people in who all spend $$ on pool, drink, and food who normally would not be there during a slow week nite. To me it seems like a win/win for the bar owner, tables are not very nice but its the same for everyone.

I wanted to say I'd put a security camera in there, but forget the separate pool and game rooms. Just imagine the picture without those walls and doors :grin: More room for the customers to sit, if anything. I'd keep the other things as I said. I think the free coins if people order food/drink would be a magnet for the crowd.
 
Bar poolhall

I have a place fairly similar to what your describing, and have owned 2 other places a little different. One had 2 junk Valleys and was a small venue , the other had 10 Diamonds, a stage for bands, and was huge (former grocery store). Both the big place and small place cleared about the same amount of profit per month, about 5-7k each after everything was all said and done. Not bad, but my current place was always the breadwinner of the 3, by FAR, (which is why I sold the other 2 off when our economy took a turn, even though they were both still profitable at the time)...
My quick advice/opinions would be to NOT isolate the pool tables from the rest of the place, and DONT go the cheap route on the equipment, at least as far as the tables, balls, chalk and racks go (I have Diamonds, Aramith Super Pros, Masters chalk, and Delta 13 racks). Clean and maintain your equipment on a regular basis (clean the tables and balls at least 3 times a week, depending on your rate of play). Cater to good customers (bar/Restaurant patrons as well as players, remembering your booze and food is where the $$ is made). Offer a good variety of food if possible, and make sure you have a friendly, well trained and managed staff. Do not let them get away with just being nice to the people who tip well. Remember, those old guys who tip $.50 but are nice guys who come in on a regular basis and never cause a problem are every bit as important to YOUR bottom line as the tippers. Don't give em a reason to take their money somewhere else.. .... Then again, my advice assumes you are looking to draw at least semi decent to serious players in to your place, based on you installing 3 tables. If you just want the casual crowd who plays a game or two every now and then, I guess cheap would be fine. But like anything else in life, you get what you pay for. Go cheap, you'll get cheap..

Good luck,
Rain-Man
 
I have a place fairly similar to what your describing, and have owned 2 other places a little different. One had 2 junk Valleys and was a small venue , the other had 10 Diamonds, a stage for bands, and was huge (former grocery store). Both the big place and small place cleared about the same amount of profit per month, about 5-7k each after everything was all said and done. Not bad, but my current place was always the breadwinner of the 3, by FAR, (which is why I sold the other 2 off when our economy took a turn, even though they were both still profitable at the time)...
My quick advice/opinions would be to NOT isolate the pool tables from the rest of the place, and DONT go the cheap route on the equipment, at least as far as the tables, balls, chalk and racks go (I have Diamonds, Aramith Super Pros, Masters chalk, and Delta 13 racks). Clean and maintain your equipment on a regular basis (clean the tables and balls at least 3 times a week, depending on your rate of play). Cater to good customers (bar/Restaurant patrons as well as players, remembering your booze and food is where the $$ is made). Offer a good variety of food if possible, and make sure you have a friendly, well trained and managed staff. Do not let them get away with just being nice to the people who tip well. Remember, those old guys who tip $.50 but are nice guys who come in on a regular basis and never cause a problem are every bit as important to YOUR bottom line as the tippers. Don't give em a reason to take their money somewhere else.. .... Then again, my advice assumes you are looking to draw at least semi decent to serious players in to your place, based on you installing 3 tables. If you just want the casual crowd who plays a game or two every now and then, I guess cheap would be fine. But like anything else in life, you get what you pay for. Go cheap, you'll get cheap..

Good luck,
Rain-Man

Thanks for a detailed reply. I already said I wouldn't isolate the pool room in the end. However, I don't mind regular crowd, they are the huge majority and are more likely to order booze while playing than serious guys. They also usually play 5+ matches, so the tables should remain occupied. Still, I'd try to keep at least some good guys there to give the audience some attractive matches and to have someone teach the beginners. I even think I'd make a radical step and instead of coin ops charge table time. Nobody in the whole city does that and if I could keep the price low, I think people would definitely come. So, there's no reason to go for expensive tables and equipment. I'd buy cheap (non-coin-op tables are cheaper anyway) but keep it in good condition. At the same time, free coins/table time for teaching kids and beginners would keep good players in there, while free coins/time for ordering food and drink would keep people ordering.
 
Timed Tables

Hi,

As I already stated, I have Diamond tables (Diamond Smart Tables). I have 3 of them, and after way too long, Diamond FINALLY came out with a timer per play for their coin ops. I have them on order for my tables for when it is time to have Diamond come up and recloth my tables. They are going to install the times at the same time...

The nice thing about them is that they need no power. They use the Dollar coins, and you can set the amount for per play AND timed play (30 mins). I will have mine set to $1 per play, or $3 per 30 mins. I think that is fair for good equipment and a good environment, especially when everybody was used to paying $1 per play anyway (We do have the front table, closest to the bar, set up currently for $.75 per play. Keeps the bangers and kids on that one more, as to not beat up on the back 2 tables as much :thumbup:).


I do know that there are other timer systems out there for other coin ops, but I do not know much info about them (sorry).... In a bar setting, you will make more revenue with coin ops that allow per play, AND timed play, than you will with drop pockets and paying strictly by the hour... There are numerous reasons for that, just Trust me on that one!

I've been an owner in the Bar/Restaurant/Nightclub business since I was 25, and have a plethora of now useless (to me) info and knowledge based on personal trial and error... If you have any questions you can just ask me at any time and I will do my best to give you a well thought out reply/answer, in as timely a manner as possible.. Good luck on your venture if you choose to pursue it..:thumbup:
 
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