Saving Money on long distance phone calls, so you can spend more on pool

JoeyA

JoeyA

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I know most of you people already know about SKYPE and so just pass up my thread if you like. However if you have something else of value to add, please do so. Everyone isn't in the loop on this technology. Got a question? Ask it.

I thought I would share with you another way that you can save some bucks on telephone calls and stay in touch with those far away.

SKYPE is a method of talking over the Internet with one another FREE OF CHARGE, anywhere in the world where others have SKYPE. All you really need is an inexpensive headset that connects to one of your USB ports. My USB ports are located on the front of my computer.

I purchased a headset for less than twenty bucks. It is a Logitech and has a on off switch so you have to know that you have to switch it on when you are connected. :embarrassed2: Otherwise, you won't be able to hear the other person and most likely they won't be able to hear you either even after you make the SKYPE connection.

You can also buy a web camera for cheap money but I don't want to use that feature. Sometimes, I use the computer when I first get up in the morning and while it doesn't get much better in the evening time, I can scare someone early on.

Anyway, the reason I bring this up is that AZB has members WORLD-WIDE and SKYPE is a great way to keep up with your Internet friendships. Everyone talks in chat rooms on FB but I like talking on SKYPE, when I have a lot of questions that need answering. If it's just a little info, I like texting and FB chat for that.

Anyway you can go to www.skype.com to download the free program and to learn how to make LONG DISTANCE phone calls for free (to other SKYPE USERS ONLY). If you want to call someone on THEIR landline or cell phone, you can do that too, ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD but it will cost you a couple of cents per minute depending upon where you are calling Some places cost a little more than others but the costs are spelled out on SKYPE's website. So far I havent called anyone on their cell phone or landline from my SKYPE system.

If you haven't tried it out, you should. Now if I could only I had an interpreter.

Anyway, check out SKYPE, it's cool stuff. Anyone got anything to add?
 
JoeyA:

Another great thread from you. The praises of Voice-over-IP (VoIP) are sung by many that want to save money. And it's an old technology that's finally receiving its due.

However, you folks reading this might want to know about a few caveats with it, from a guy who 1.) helps design and implement infrastructure to carry it (e.g. Cisco big iron), 2.) wears an information security hat (i.e. does security audits of large firms), 3.) has to be on top of guidelines and regulations.

Of particular interest to everyone wanting to "convert" their phone system to a purely VoIP system (e.g. Vonage, Comcast/Xfinity, CableVision/OptimumOnline, etc.) are the following:

1. If you choose to convert your existing analog phone service to one of the aforementioned VoIP services (i.e. actually port your home number over to these services from a previous copper provider, like AT&T, SNET, Verizon, etc.), YOU LOSE YOUR COPPER RIGHTS. That is to say, you lose all the benefits of being on copper lines, which are tightly controlled by the FCC. One of the benefits is guaranteed up-time -- even during a blackout. (Of course, you need a pure analog phone, one that doesn't need electricity like most digital phones do, to leverage this.) A good case in point is the recent freak winter storm that hit the Northeast US a couple weeks ago (the weekend just prior to Halloween). As many of you know, large portions of the Northeast were without power for extended periods, due to the damage that the freakishly wet (and heavy) snow caused by downing trees that were not yet "seasoned" to the winter weather. Everyone I know that was on a VoIP service, had no telephone, even if they had backup generators powering their home. However, I myself had continuous phone service (copper lines via Verizon) even though I spent a weekend without power. I literally had neighbors coming over to use my telephone. "Copper rights" are those you give up if you were to convert to VoIP phone service. In fact, for me, when I convert to Verizon FIOS (fiber-to-the-house service, for those that don't know), I'm specifically going to exclude my copper phone service from the bundle, for the very reason I mentioned.

2. Your 911 service (or 999 in the UK) on many of those VoIP services isn't what you think it is. It isn't the same "grid-based 911" service that you've come to know growing up. You have to read your VoIP SLA (service level agreement) to know what differences there are. And yes, you *will* see a blurb about your 911 service in that SLA -- it's required by law. Some of the VoIP vendors have been known to route your "911" call to a local sheriff's office, instead of the national 911 grid! Again, READ YOUR SLA and become very familiar with it. You don't want to jump into something that, later, you get a nasty surprise from, when a real emergency pops up.

VoIP phone systems are a great way to save money, and if you use, e.g. Skype, to augment your phone service, you can experience great savings. We can all use savings in these financially-crunched times.

I hope this is helpful,
-Sean
 
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What's that? Play more pool.. okay!!

A couple of years ago, I ran into a common problem.. cars payments. :(

Downgrade from Camel to Red Cap rolling tobacco: @ $100/mo savings
Joined a credit union, refi car: @ $50/mo savings
Every couple of months, I'd check on my credit score and put out feelers for car insurance: @ $50/mo savings

Next up is the phone.. I've got a few friends that switched over to Virgin Mobile month-to-month for about $30-$45/mo, decent minutes and unlimited text/web.

The Red Cap tobacco is classified as pipe tobacco(shredded, but not sold with papers) so it does not get the heavy cigarette taxes. Having to roll helps me smoke less and I don't feel that I'm throwing out 25c if I only want to have a few drags.

The credit union was a good choice, as they have more easily attained benefits and no charges at other credit union ATMs, among many other things. They call me up once in a while to make sure I'm ok, let me know of current rates and see if I have any current questions/concerns.

On the car insurance, I submitted a request through bankrate.com and started getting quotes within minutes. Since my credit score had been going up, I got to saving pretty quickly on that one and still get quotes every few months just to check on things.
 
I bought a Magic Jack internet phone that plugs in via USB due to poor cell coverage in my area. Actually works pretty damn well and only cost 20 bucks a year
 
Some guy tried to charge me 34$ for an hour and a half the other night. I was like wtf? His response was

"oh I thought you were playing with so and so"

"Well how much is it an hour?...and he was up here at the counter ( with you guys). I played by myself"
 
sfleinen said:
JoeyA:

Another great thread from you. The praises of Voice-over-IP (VoIP) are sung by many that want to save money. And it's an old technology that's finally receiving its due.

However, you folks reading this might want to know about a few caveats with it, from a guy who 1.) helps design and implement infrastructure to carry it (e.g. Cisco big iron), 2.) wears an information security hat (i.e. does security audits of large firms), 3.) has to be on top of guidelines and regulations.

Of particular interest to everyone wanting to "convert" their phone system to a purely VoIP system (e.g. Vonage, Comcast/Xfinity, CableVision/OptimumOnline, etc.) are the following:

1. If you choose to convert your existing analog phone service to one of the aforementioned VoIP services (i.e. actually port your home number over to these services from a previous copper provider, like AT&T, SNET, Verizon, etc.), YOU LOSE YOUR COPPER RIGHTS. That is to say, you lose all the benefits of being on copper lines, which are tightly controlled by the FCC. One of the benefits is guaranteed up-time -- even during a blackout. (Of course, you need a pure analog phone, one that doesn't need electricity like most digital phones do, to leverage this.) A good case in point is the recent freak winter storm that hit the Northeast US a couple weeks ago (the weekend just prior to Halloween). As many of you know, large portions of the Northeast were without power for extended periods, due to the damage that the freakishly wet (and heavy) snow caused by downing trees that were not yet "seasoned" to the winter weather. Everyone I know that was on a VoIP service, had no telephone, even if they had backup generators powering their home. However, I myself had continuous phone service (copper lines via Verizon) even though I spent a weekend without power. I literally had neighbors coming over to use my telephone. "Copper rights" are those you give up if you were to convert to VoIP phone service. In fact, for me, when I convert to Verizon FIOS (fiber-to-the-house service, for those that don't know), I'm specifically going to exclude my copper phone service from the bundle, for the very reason I mentioned.

2. Your 911 service (or 999 in the UK) on many of those VoIP services isn't what you think it is. It isn't the same "grid-based 911" service that you've come to know growing up. You have to read your VoIP SLA (service level agreement) to know what differences there are. And yes, you *will* see a blurb about your 911 service in that SLA -- it's required by law. Some of the VoIP vendors have been known to route your "911" call to a local sheriff's office, instead of the national 911 grid! Again, READ YOUR SLA and become very familiar with it. You don't want to jump into something that, later, you get a nasty surprise from, when a real emergency pops up.

VoIP phone systems are a great way to save money, and if you use, e.g. Skype, to augment your phone service, you can experience great savings. We can all use savings in these financially-crunched times.

I hope this is helpful,
-Sean
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Great information as always Sean. But I just want to make sure about something. Items one and two, have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with using SKYPE, correct?

I think what you are saying is that if you move your phone service at your home or business to one of the VoIP systems listed, items 1 & 2 will apply, CORRECT?

I just want to make sure I understand what you are referring to.

Currently, I have digital phone service through Cox Communications and have often thought about moving over to VoIP for both home and business.

Your post makes me think a little harder.
 
stouter2386 said:
I bought a Magic Jack internet phone that plugs in via USB due to poor cell coverage in my area. Actually works pretty damn well and only cost 20 bucks a year
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With the Magic Jack, are you able to call any telephone, cell, etc at no charge or just other Magic Jack users at no charge?
 
Insurance.

Banks said:
What's that? Play more pool.. okay!!

A couple of years ago, I ran into a common problem.. cars payments. :(

Downgrade from Camel to Red Cap rolling tobacco: @ $100/mo savings
Joined a credit union, refi car: @ $50/mo savings
Every couple of months, I'd check on my credit score and put out feelers for car insurance: @ $50/mo savings

Next up is the phone.. I've got a few friends that switched over to Virgin Mobile month-to-month for about $30-$45/mo, decent minutes and unlimited text/web.

The Red Cap tobacco is classified as pipe tobacco(shredded, but not sold with papers) so it does not get the heavy cigarette taxes. Having to roll helps me smoke less and I don't feel that I'm throwing out 25c if I only want to have a few drags.

The credit union was a good choice, as they have more easily attained benefits and no charges at other credit union ATMs, among many other things. They call me up once in a while to make sure I'm ok, let me know of current rates and see if I have any current questions/concerns.

On the car insurance, I submitted a request through bankrate.com and started getting quotes within minutes. Since my credit score had been going up, I got to saving pretty quickly on that one and still get quotes every few months just to check on things.
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I was driving through some flooded water after a heavy downpour and was making a turn, towing a boat, when I realized the water depth was 3 feet deep. I put on the breaks and the truck coasted into another car, sliding on the freshly rained on road, barely making a dent in the other people's car. The cops didn't write me a ticket because they felt I did the correct thing. lol
Anyway, my insurance goes up, keeps going up every year and this year my wife was so angry, she had me calling people to get new rates after paying heavy insurance for 8 years. We called AARP (Hartford Insurance) and got the same coverage for 50% LESS. I was so ticked off at my LONG TIME local insurance agent , I didn't give them a call. I guess they were just going to let me keep paying those high rates and collect the higher premiums til I died. F'em. I switched and saved a BUNDLE, a real BUNDLE.

Now that I've switched my local agent had one of his girls to call after I sent them a note letting them know that I switched insurance providers, and they told me that they found someone else who could offer insurance for less. :-( F'em. I feel like the old actor in that western movie that played with Brad Pitt, "F'em!" (talking about the government).
 
I just caught sight of another way to save on cell phone service.. and this may be a good spot to mention it, being on the internet and all.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/wifi-minded-carrier-offers-unbelievable-19-unlimited-phone-204810215.html

99$ droid LG Optimus phone, $19/mo, just need a wireless account to include on your activation and not be one of the "superusers".

..

As for the insurance companies.. I've got no sympathy for them when I go looking. I had an expensive item on my record and the Geico person told me my insurance would be reduced once it fell off. Well, it falls off and I give them a call after my next payment got deducted. They tried telling me I still had 3 months left on my 6 month rate. Needless to say, that's when it became all business. I think I've switched 3 times in the last year or year and a half. About 3 more months til my only ticket falls off, so I'll be hitting the bankrate insurance request thingy again. Insurance started at $250/mo, currently down to about $100/mo.

With toys like that, I can only imagine the savings at 50%. Once I started rolling my own, switched insurance and refi'd the car, I was hooked. Now, if I can only find cheaper groceries. HoumaTroy and all didn't help by getting me hooked on cooking with some flavor.. that Chef Paul's spice mix is pretty good. :thumbup:

Sooo.. got anything for erasing student loans? :o
 
JoeyA said:
Great information as always Sean. But I just want to make sure about something. Items one and two, have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with using SKYPE, correct?

I think what you are saying is that if you move your phone service at your home or business to one of the VoIP systems listed, items 1 & 2 will apply, CORRECT?

I just want to make sure I understand what you are referring to.

Currently, I have digital phone service through Cox Communications and have often thought about moving over to VoIP for both home and business.

Your post makes me think a little harder.
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Hi Joey!

Yes, you are correct. My post was just the logical extension of the "going VoIP to save money" idea. A lot of folks have jumped ship to VoIP without knowing all the caveats (I believe in arming oneself with information), and your post just reminded me to take advantage of an opportunity to offer this information. I hope I didn't cause confusion with the "let me take this idea to the next step" approach.

Those two items do not apply to Skype specifically, as long as one doesn't nix their phone service to use Skype exclusively.

As we say, better information = better armed.

-Sean
 
I use SKYPE extensively.

BE CAREFUL.

Skype to Skype - FREE
SkypeIn - Having a normal # for people to call you - costs a fixed fee just to have the number and costs 2cts or MUCH MORE per minute. Skype Rates are notoriously hard to find. It used to be 2cts a minute anywhere in the world. I have been charged up 18cts a minute.

SkypeOut - calling normal numbers and cell phone #s - Costs a fee per month and 2cts a minute and higher. Again rates vary depending on WHERE and WHAT TYPE OF NUMBER you are calling so be careful.

My Skype bill is about $250 a year which is about $10-$15 a month in per minute charges and about $100 a year in retaining the ability to call regular numbers and have a regular number to be called on.

That said it's been a pretty good service for me and I forward the number to my China cell phone or whatever cell phone I want and that works well (be advised that you are still using minutes on the cell phone). I use the video chat a lot. I use skype on my Ipos Touch and on my Ipad with 3g and it has literally saved my ass a couple times by being able to use it that way to call around the world when using a cell phone would have been way to expensive and also cumbersome.

I have looked at a bunch of other VOIP services and so far Skype has the best service for me. When I was in Charlotte we had Vonage at home and it was pretty good. I would tend to agree with Sean though and keep the most basic telephone service at home. I have a telephone at home and we rarely use it but it's there just in case. Actually my wife has been using it lately to fax to suppliers who only take orders via fax.

Anyway, be sure to be aware of ALL the costs before you get skype.

Oh and one more IMPORTANT thing. Especially for you Europeans.

If you can use the USA website for skype whenever you BUY any of skype's services.

For some reason skype has a very nasty little trick they play. They will charge for example $18 USD for a service and also 18 Euros for the exact same service if bought from the European site. So use the US site, go through a vpn or something if possible, and do your buying there.
 
Can't you also save money by eliminating your internet at home and just using the internet at the public library or at Mcdonalds?

Oh, and convert your car over to canola oil.

Also get an extra packet of sweetener when you order coffee and after a few years you can open each packet into one of those large size containers and save on sweetener. It only takes 2385 packets to fill up a normal sized bag.

Everyone has a cellphone and most plans are free cell to cell calls anywhere in the USA.

JoeyA said:
I know most of you people already know about SKYPE and so just pass up my thread if you like. However if you have something else of value to add, please do so. Everyone isn't in the loop on this technology. Got a question? Ask it.

I thought I would share with you another way that you can save some bucks on telephone calls and stay in touch with those far away.

SKYPE is a method of talking over the Internet with one another FREE OF CHARGE, anywhere in the world where others have SKYPE. All you really need is an inexpensive headset that connects to one of your USB ports. My USB ports are located on the front of my computer.

I purchased a headset for less than twenty bucks. It is a Logitech and has a on off switch so you have to know that you have to switch it on when you are connected. :embarrassed2: Otherwise, you won't be able to hear the other person and most likely they won't be able to hear you either even after you make the SKYPE connection.

You can also buy a web camera for cheap money but I don't want to use that feature. Sometimes, I use the computer when I first get up in the morning and while it doesn't get much better in the evening time, I can scare someone early on.

Anyway, the reason I bring this up is that AZB has members WORLD-WIDE and SKYPE is a great way to keep up with your Internet friendships. Everyone talks in chat rooms on FB but I like talking on SKYPE, when I have a lot of questions that need answering. If it's just a little info, I like texting and FB chat for that.

Anyway you can go to www.skype.com to download the free program and to learn how to make LONG DISTANCE phone calls for free (to other SKYPE USERS ONLY). If you want to call someone on THEIR landline or cell phone, you can do that too, ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD but it will cost you a couple of cents per minute depending upon where you are calling Some places cost a little more than others but the costs are spelled out on SKYPE's website. So far I havent called anyone on their cell phone or landline from my SKYPE system.

If you haven't tried it out, you should. Now if I could only I had an interpreter.

Anyway, check out SKYPE, it's cool stuff. Anyone got anything to add?
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We have had a Magic Jack for about 6 months. The service is good and as advertized. However, apparently Magic Jack knocks out my wireless connection (laptop and Roku) when the phone rings in or out. It is aggravating and I am considering going back to a land line.

Sean gives some good information, However here in Florida I suspect that the land lnes go down with the other hurricane damage -- but I don't know that.
 
Ive never had that problem but we use our desktop for the phone.... maybe that has something to do with it ?
 
I use samsung with windows mobile and android OS ( dual boot)
Windows mobile i use for normal talk and garmin navigation, and android because it supports skype :)
 
Air Fare Price refunds (because of reduced fares)

I didn't know if I should put this link in this thread or the one a bout the DCC air fares.... Maybe I'll do both.

Here is some VALUABLE INFORMATION ABOUT saving money on flight fares that you have already booked. The short summation is that you can get a refund/voucher if you discover a cheaper flight is available after you booked your early flight. The secret is you must do it while the lower flight fare is being advertised.

To read the whole story click here.
 
Apologies for the long post, but I feel it's important information!

JoeyA said:
Great information as always Sean. But I just want to make sure about something. Items one and two, have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with using SKYPE, correct?

I think what you are saying is that if you move your phone service at your home or business to one of the VoIP systems listed, items 1 & 2 will apply, CORRECT?

I just want to make sure I understand what you are referring to.

Currently, I have digital phone service through Cox Communications and have often thought about moving over to VoIP for both home and business.

Your post makes me think a little harder.
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Hi Joey!

I just wanted to follow-up with you on this, since you'd mentioned "Cox Communications," and while I'd been working these past couple days, it'd been bugging me about what kind of service Cox Communications really offers. (What pool players will do for other pool players, eh? :) )

Anyway, is this the company you're receiving your "digital phone service" from?

http://cox.com/

If it is, I have bad news for you -- that is a *Cable TV and Internet* provider, not a genuine copper phone service. A lot of the Cable TV / Internet providers are getting away with calling their phone service "digital" because, "hey, it's ones and zeros (and not an analog signal), right?" (By that definition, VoIP is "digital phone service.") Their service is VoIP-based.

The best way to tell if you have a genuine copper-based or VoIP-based phone system, is to follow the cord from the back of your phone, to where it terminates. Does it terminate into an RJ-11 block on the wall, that itself leads to a copper punchdown block on the side of the office/house? Or does it lead to a cable modem that has RJ-11 jacks on it? The former is a real copper phone service. The latter is VoIP (i.e. "digital" phone service that rides over the cable provider's Internet backbone -- "packetized phone service").

Another way to tell, is ask yourself about your phone provider's TV commercials. Are they advertising things like "get away from slow DSL, and get super-fast Internet and phone service for only $$$ a month"? If so, that's a cable provider that packetizes their phone service over an Internet feed. That's the very definition of VoIP.

Unfortunately, you gave up your Copper Rights when you went with Cox Communications, unless you still have an analog line still in your office/home somewhere, that is provided by a traditional phone carrier.

When I say "giving up your Copper Rights," I'm referring to the fact that once a previously-copper phone number is "ported" over to a VoIP carrier, that is a one-way conversion. That number can never come back onto a copper service. It is the very definition of converting an essential service (as the FCC coins copper phone lines) to a commodity service (as the VoIP phone service has become).

Here's why: even the traditional copper phone companies (e.g. AT&T, Verizon, others) want to get out from under the FCC's thumb. The traditional phone companies *HATE* having to live up to the extremely stringent standards guaranteed to the customer by the FCC. So you'll see these companies implementing "once ported, you can't go back" rules for phone numbers. And that includes their own fiber services that are intended to replace the copper lines going to your house (e.g. Verizon's FIOS service is intended to do just that -- replace your copper lines with genuine fiber right to your business's/home's demarcation point [demarc]). That's why I mentioned in my previous post that when I subscribe to Verizon FIOS, I'm going to exclude my copper lines from the service, because I don't want those numbers ported over. I want the guaranteed reliability. Verizon's going to hate me (i.e. I'm not helping them get out from under the FCC's thumb), but I'm the customer, and I will dictate what kind of service I want, not them.

Anyway, I apologize for the long post, but I felt like I would be remiss if I didn't follow-up with you about the misleading "digital phone service" offered by the cable carriers, and your particular situation with Cox Communications.

BTW, I just found this concerning the "911 disclaimer" blurb that Cox Communications makes plainly visible on their site:

http://ww2.cox.com/business/greaterlouisiana/voice/911-info.cox?campcode=xl_voice_911-info_062411

Notice they are putting the onus on *YOU* to make sure that your 911 call is "routed" correctly. FCC Copper Rights automatically guarantee correct 911 routing, so you can see this is a dead ringer for the point about 911 I mentioned in my previous post #2 above.

Hope this is helpful information,
-Sean
 
sfleinen said:
Hi Joey!

I just wanted to follow-up with you on this, since you'd mentioned "Cox Communications," and while I'd been working these past couple days, it'd been bugging me about what kind of service Cox Communications really offers. (What pool players will do for other pool players, eh? :) )

Anyway, is this the company you're receiving your "digital phone service" from?

http://cox.com/

If it is, I have bad news for you -- that is a *Cable TV and Internet* provider, not a genuine copper phone service. A lot of the Cable TV / Internet providers are getting away with calling their phone service "digital" because, "hey, it's ones and zeros (and not an analog signal), right?" (By that definition, VoIP is "digital phone service.") Their service is VoIP-based.

The best way to tell if you have a genuine copper-based or VoIP-based phone system, is to follow the cord from the back of your phone, to where it terminates. Does it terminate into an RJ-11 block on the wall, that itself leads to a copper punchdown block on the side of the office/house? Or does it lead to a cable modem that has RJ-11 jacks on it? The former is a real copper phone service. The latter is VoIP (i.e. "digital" phone service that rides over the cable provider's Internet backbone -- "packetized phone service").

Another way to tell, is ask yourself about your phone provider's TV commercials. Are they advertising things like "get away from slow DSL, and get super-fast Internet and phone service for only $$$ a month"? If so, that's a cable provider that packetizes their phone service over an Internet feed. That's the very definition of VoIP.

Unfortunately, you gave up your Copper Rights when you went with Cox Communications, unless you still have an analog line still in your office/home somewhere, that is provided by a traditional phone carrier.

When I say "giving up your Copper Rights," I'm referring to the fact that once a previously-copper phone number is "ported" over to a VoIP carrier, that is a one-way conversion. That number can never come back onto a copper service. It is the very definition of converting an essential service (as the FCC coins copper phone lines) to a commodity service (as the VoIP phone service has become).

Here's why: even the traditional copper phone companies (e.g. AT&T, Verizon, others) want to get out from under the FCC's thumb. The traditional phone companies *HATE* having to live up to the extremely stringent standards guaranteed to the customer by the FCC. So you'll see these companies implementing "once ported, you can't go back" rules for phone numbers. And that includes their own fiber services that are intended to replace the copper lines going to your house (e.g. Verizon's FIOS service is intended to do just that -- replace your copper lines with genuine fiber right to your business's/home's demarcation point [demarc]). That's why I mentioned in my previous post that when I subscribe to Verizon FIOS, I'm going to exclude my copper lines from the service, because I don't want those numbers ported over. I want the guaranteed reliability. Verizon's going to hate me (i.e. I'm not helping them get out from under the FCC's thumb), but I'm the customer, and I will dictate what kind of service I want, not them.

Anyway, I apologize for the long post, but I felt like I would be remiss if I didn't follow-up with you about the misleading "digital phone service" offered by the cable carriers, and your particular situation with Cox Communications.

BTW, I just found this concerning the "911 disclaimer" blurb that Cox Communications makes plainly visible on their site:

http://ww2.cox.com/business/greaterlouisiana/voice/911-info.cox?campcode=xl_voice_911-info_062411

Notice they are putting the onus on *YOU* to make sure that your 911 call is "routed" correctly. FCC Copper Rights automatically guarantee correct 911 routing, so you can see this is a dead ringer for the point about 911 I mentioned in my previous post #2 above.

Hope this is helpful information,
-Sean
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WOW! You are a bundle of great information. It seems to me like it may be immaterial at this point, at least for me.

Thanks again for posting this info. And yes, that is the company that I have service with, both phone and cable. I don't know for sure if it is copper or not but your info indicates that it is a strong likelihood that it is not copper.
 
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