And Coke kicks Pepsi's ass!
Schon sucks
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And Coke kicks Pepsi's ass!
There might be a SMALL spark of truth to this - but I wouldn't go all in on that thought. In my area (southwest Pittsburgh PA), we are experiencing a severe downturn in non bar themed places to play, (and I get the impression that's true in many other areas as well); however, a shared interest is very much a plus in a "healthy relationship".
Several things come to mind:
Many people have tables in their homes.
Through the 70s, 80s, and into the 90s there were plenty of "non bar" related places which offered a family friendly atmosphere to play.
People like SVB are very much positive role models for a family.
AND...
We are WAY overdue for another CoM or "The Hustler" type of influence which would kick-off another up-swing in this past-time.
While I can agree with the alcohol/relationship angle ...
I think an unqualified statement like that runs dangerously close to improper profiling, and it's not something I can totally agree with.
Just IMO and playing devil's advocate here,
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Second attempt in a year trying to contact schon through email with no reply. Their customer service is legit
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Schon has had a long history of doing right by its customers.
Now that you've heard from others that they don't do email well and it's better to contact them by phone, maybe you should ask the mods to remove this "Schon Sucks" thread.
best,
brian kc
A cue's joint will have absolutely nothing to do with how stiff a cue hits. That will come purely from the shaft taper, and density of the wood. I had a radial pin Schon, and it felt about the same as my stainless steel jointed Schons.
One other thing to lessen the stiffness of the feel of a Schon is to cut off the factory tip. They use a very hard water buffalo tip on their cues. If you change it to a Triangle, it's a little more manageable.
I wish I had never sold that radial pin Schon. Perhaps my favourite cue, aside from my current EDC.
Radial Pin Schon = Segen
Though the Segen radial is slightly different from the Uniloc Radial, it's a bit smaller.
But the Segen is a nice cue
http://www.billiardwarehouse.com/cues/schon/schon_sp-1801.htm
This is a radial pin Schon. I was eyeing this cue for years until I bought a similar looking barnhart.
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Not even close.
Segen - a bit of a proprietary radial setup. They undersize the pilot on a radial pin. The joint diameter is also enormous. 0.880" at the joint. A Schon is 0.842"
Here are three radial pin Schons. They aren't "Segen" cues.
http://www.billiardwarehouse.com/cues/schon/schon_sp_series.htm
The taper on a Segen is different than a Schon as well. The only two things the two cue "brands" have in common is that Evan Clark was designing both of them for a few years.
I bought my radial pin Schon in 2004. Segen Cues wasn't even a concept at that time. Just an FYI.
I have an old D series Ebony McDermott and a 3-4 year old Ebony Schon. I bought the Schon because I really liked the way they feel/hit. It was the biggest mistake I have made so far, I can only assume something is wrong with it, it feels like no other Schon I have ever hit. Since Schon is a local business to me I have been meaning to stop down at Schon to see if they can figure out why its so unusual. Luckily I found my McDermott used and had them refinish the cue. I have yet to find a better hitting cue, the workmanship on it is nice too. The points/veneers on my McD are much nicer than the rounded points on my Schon. I guess I also have no understanding of cues.
To me they feel pretty similar, but I had my cues all tapered by the same guy.
I don't particularly care for the Segen pin, it's a oddity.
I imagine it's all very subjective. I suppose in the end you have to find what you like and go with it.
I understand that Segen's short and brief stay was pretty recent.
Lol.
So, a Scruggs and a Joss are the same cue, by your standards. After all, Tim DID work for Joss before moving on.
And the "oddity" of the Segen pin is nothing more than the blind section of the pin being turned down to a smaller diameter. Otherwise, it's just a standard radial pin.
They may "feel" similar". They are anything but.
Schon has made radial pin cues since the early 2000s.
justinb386
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Many cue makers are very nice about giving their time (by replying to our emails) to all of the broken, crazy, degenerate, mental type people.
justinb386
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Oh yeah, Jacoby is very nice, and fast about replying to emails (and they are very generous with their time, even to non paying customers, like myself).
justinb386
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Joss cues hit pretty stiff too (no matter how long the taper is, in my experience), and they use the 5/16x14 joint. I always felt like the wood to wood joint cues had a much softer hit. I think I would love a Radial pin Schon cue. I did not know they existed.
Please read my post again. The joint pin and material will have NOTHING...nada, zilch, zero, etc.....to do with how stiff a cue plays. It's all in the taper of the shaft, the diameter of the shaft, and the density of the wood. You've called a Z2 stiff. For me, they are hardly a stiff shaft. Schons do not play "stiff", in my opinion. They're medium stiff. A stiff cue would be a Josey. Or a Cog. Or a Southwest. Or a standard wood shaft Samsara. A Joss is pretty beefy at 13.25mm off the shelf, but if you turn that shaft down to 12.5, it's pretty flexible. They have a pretty long taper.
If you don't like a standard SS jointed Schon, you'd hate the radial pin versions. They don't hit less stiff, or softer.
Interesting that you would say that, my Joss and my Scruggs feel remarkably similar, neither has a radial pin, but that's just me. Whether or not the Joss and Scruggs are the same cue, that's a different conversation and that's not what I said
So now, explain the Segen pin to me. I know they're different, the Segen is smaller and thinner by a mm or two. Does it have an actual size or is it just turned down a little?
Who I spent my money on and how I react isn't your concern to correct. Don't worry, I'll never buy a $900 Cue off you and use my right to complain if I so please. You don't like my posts bc you're too stupid to read and understand properly then don't open the thread and reply clown. If I spent a grand on a cue, which is more than 99 percent of the pool playing crowd is willing to spend on a cue, than I can say whatever the f..k I want. I bought a $1500 Cue off of Cohen and he send it to me with a rollout I have the right to ***** and moan. That's my right to ***** and moan if I want. Get it. If it's a problem than the moderator and azb can delete this thread or even ban me, it's their site and it's their right. I don't complain I was banned if I deserved to get banned. It's a pool related thread on a pool forum. I got what I wanted out of this thread. Schon doesn't reply to emails, I guess they like to keep it 20th century, I guess we should all start a mass phone conference to discuss pool instead of using a forum. I like most work and get home later in the day, if I choose to email for info like most of the modern world, I don't see a problem. They have a website and they take email. If they have it up they should use it, if they don't than they should take it down and say we only talk to people on the phone. It's called running a business. Don't reply cause this is the last time I give you any thought and I promise you I'll never spent a dime on you. Good business move
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They install a standard radial pin. Then, they turn the top of the pin down a little bit to make it thinner. They put a phenolic pilot on their shafts that is slightly smaller than a standard radial pin blind. So, a standard radial pin won't work in their shafts.
If you'd like me to post pics of both, side by side, let me know. I have a Segen, and a standard radial pin Nitti that would show the difference.
A picture would be great buddy. If you could try to get the joint collar side by side also, toi show the big joint collar diameter on Segen cues, that would be great.
Schon launced their new site about a year ago and it seems like an unfinished project.
I hope Schon will come back after Even left, right now they seem to be in a regrouping situation.
As for Segen cues. I have never played with one, but I think that modifying the Radial pin design and going with a joint diameter way off from the fairly standard .840"-.844" is stupid beyond words...
Fragmenting the industry even more is NOT a good thing.
You can find Schon cues with a Radial pin from time to time, so they clearly have that as an option for those who want it. I love Radial pins, easy to install and a tight fit when you use the undersize tap, but I would never been able to tell the difference between 5/16-14 and Radial in a blind test.
I posted a side by side pic a couple of months ago. It's strange, in the pic there is little discernable difference, but looking at them there is definitely a difference.
I had ordered a McDermott shaft and they couldn't match the pin. I had them forward it on to Segen to tap. It fits, but it didn't turn out quite the way I'd hoped
$900?
Thanks for the vote of confidence, you looked at my group photo and you ascertained the value of what they should sell for, Thanks big time.
Thanks for the vote of confidence, you looked at my group photo and you ascertained the value of what they should sell for, Thanks big time.
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