Schuler Cue Out of Business??

fish on said:
When I went to Thailand a top hotel room cost $5 a night.

When did you go- 1957? Good luck finding a rat-hole in any decent spot in Thailand for $5 these days (maybe you could find a small hut with no electricity or running water on some off-the-beaten-path beach somewhere, but not in Bangok, Samui, Phuket, Chiang Mai, Pattaya, etc.)
 
gobrian77 said:
When did you go- 1957? Good luck finding a rat-hole in any decent spot in Thailand for $5 these days (maybe you could find a small hut with no electricity or running water on some off-the-beaten-path beach somewhere, but not in Bangok, Samui, Phuket, Chiang Mai, Pattaya, etc.)


Your right, $5 a night in PHUKET would be incredible:thumbup:
 
manwon said:
Take a deep breath John, while it doesn't matter to you many Americans are tired of seeing job's and the manufacturing bases leave and head east. This is not helping the US economy a lick, while Schuler cue is nothing but a snow flake in comparison to the ice bergs that are pulling up stakes here it still hurts.

I am one of those who would like to see America default on it's loans to the rest of the World. This would put an end to these movements, simply because no would continue to export to us. While this would certainly be devastating in the beginning it would force the Nation to rebuild it's manufacturing infrastructure. I do not see any other way to deal with all problems America is facing, this Nation must become self reliant again or cease to exist. There is no other way to keep our own people employed.

Take Care John

Thank You Craig.
 
fish on said:
When I was in Asia workers were making 1.00 per day doing manual labor
When I went to Thailand a top hotel room cost $5 a night.

Recently on vacation at a Dominican Republic all-inclusive resort workers were so poor you had to tip them anyway!
What I am saying for the record is China low wages with no unions allowed are creating worldwide problems !

Worldwide above poverty minimum wage laws and standards are one thing that can be done!
You must be living like a king when you are charging 1k for a case that costs $100 tops to have others make
I know in Dominican Republic Americans live like Royalty because of cost of living compared to U.S.
They had servants!
I am sure you do not lack for servants !

You belittled my education !
I will put my families education up against yours
Daughter MBA - Investment company
Daughter Secondary Ed. Degree with masters in English + additional work toward Doctorate
Son-in-law VP one of 6-
Mechanical engineer Degree and Master of Business from Lehigh Univ.
30 years old future CEO maybe
500mil sales last year !

Mine Electrical Apprenticeship 5 year
Ongoing electrical education code safety supervision etc.
35 years electrician mostly large job construction foreman -supervisor position difficult projects were my specialty Hospital operating rooms , TV studios, Security systems at large prisons.
Master license now!
Business certificate program Rutgers Univ.
Small business seminars and continuing Business education
Had a Cinnabon franchise in a major mall for 7 years sold it 5 years ago!
Like I said I worked hard all my life!


Wow - impressive resumes of you and your kids - you have had a fantastic life. My apologies for questioning your views, you obviously know everything about everything and have all the answers to everything. I am just an orphan who never went to school and grew up under bridges.

I have only been able to afford one Cinnabon in my life and it made me sick from all the sugar slathered all over it. So you you were a major contributor to diabetes and obesity as well. Impressive. You're amazing. Someday I hope to be as successful as you and send my child to college so I can brag about his or her accomplishments.

But that will never happen because you have already dictated to me what I am allowed to earn, what I am allowed to pay, where I can work, who I can work with, who can work for me and who I am allowed to sell to.
 
Good news story.

I can understand all of the ire towards companies outsourcing. Where I live the textile industry was huge. There were tons of factories making furniture, sewing, hosiery and cable. Not sure how many of those factories closed and how many outsourced, but I am sure a few people in all of those places put the blame on another country.

Take this into consideration: Lets say those companies chose not to outsource and remained here. This doesn't mean that a homegrown competitor wouldn't pop up in another country. Considering that they would be competing for business and "the other country" would be making the same product cheaper the U.S. company would have to sell their stuff cheaper as well to survive. This in turn means the U.S. company would either have to cut wages, vastly increase production with the same amount of people, layoff and carry the same production as before or die a very slow death.
 
JB Cases said:
Wow - impressive resumes of you and your kids - you have had a fantastic life. My apologies for questioning your views, you obviously know everything about everything and have all the answers to everything. I am just an orphan who never went to school and grew up under bridges.

No more grenades thrown by me!

Talking with my Corporate V.P. Son-in-law Sunday I asked him the following questions?

Race to bottom IE. Will S.E.Asia have to go lower in total wage package and laws to gain market share?

answer no the Chinese wage -benefit package has gone up 300% in the last year! They will go to that level! China will climb!
His company does now have a manufacturing plant in china and their workers earn $1.00 per hour including benefits!
He stated that the U.S. citizen plant manager earns salary equivalent to U.S. and lives very well in China!!!

I said how about U.S. increasing tariff ?

Interesting answer : Mexico put in a import tax on China imports
they repealed this because it cost them jobs due to higher costs for necessary components that came from China.
China then made whole product in china!
After repeal of import tariff his company now makes this product in Mexico now because of high delivery costs and logistics negated the lower wages!
He said Mexico wages totaled $3.00 per hour including benefits at his company plant!

He said we are not a manufacturing country anymore and I need to realize this!

His company does not manufacture any products In U.S. anymore!

They do assemble custom design products using their foreign manufactured components , Employs a large U.S. based R&D force at company headquarters and they also handle distribution of their products here!
I now realize eventually the U.S. car plants are going overseas for now importing foreign parts with assemble here !

The company I am refering to is very well known worldwide and is privately owned by the person who :
invented sonar in ww2 and still even in his 80's is hands on
everyday at headquarters and tough as nails!


I have reevaluated my thinking and now realize Education is where its at!

God Bless you All!
I am done with this thread hope we all learned something from it!

(clarification thailand hotel rate was in 1969 R&R from Vietnam Army duty with 101st sorry about not dating this fact)
:thumbup:
 
Schuler

I am Terry Trim, president of Schuler

Rumers have spread about Schuler.

Here are the facts.

Schuler has out sourced its production with a US based cue maker. Our cues are 100% made in the USA and sold exclusively through Schuler.

This is a great partnership and we will continue to sell the great Schuler products world wide.

Best Regards,

Terry Trim
President
Schuler LLC
 
trimt said:
I am Terry Trim, president of Schuler

Rumers have spread about Schuler.

Here are the facts.

Schuler has out sourced its production with a US based cue maker. Our cues are 100% made in the USA and sold exclusively through Schuler.

This is a great partnership and we will continue to sell the great Schuler products world wide.

Best Regards,

Terry Trim
President
Schuler LLC

Thank you, Terry, for stopping the rumors. This is very good news for we Schuler fans. Best wishes for continued success.
 
Yes, good to hear this. I intend to buy more shafts and cues in the future. Keep them coming please.
 
globalization vs proletraian internationalism

manwon said:
Take a deep breath John, while it doesn't matter to you many Americans are tired of seeing job's and the manufacturing bases leave and head east. This is not helping the US economy a lick, while Schuler cue is nothing but a snow flake in comparison to the ice bergs that are pulling up stakes here it still hurts.

I am one of those who would like to see America default on it's loans to the rest of the World. This would put an end to these movements, simply because no would continue to export to us. While this would certainly be devastating in the beginning it would force the Nation to rebuild it's manufacturing infrastructure. I do not see any other way to deal with all problems America is facing, this Nation must become self reliant again or cease to exist. There is no other way to keep our own people employed.

Take Care John

If globalization meant cooperation and a commitment to human rights including worker safety, benefits, & living wages then it could be progressive. Proletarian internationalism would mean globalization in the interests of the working class.

Currently, gloablization is capitalist internationalism for the sole purpose of maximizing profits. The deindustrialization of America has led to a decline of our nation's middle class. Outsourcing has accelerated this decline as it extends to skilled & service workers.

Human rights violations including child labor, sweatshops, prison labor, & other abuses are the order of the day. Stores like Walmart have worked to establish monopolies, by driving out small business & this control of the market has led to low quality merchandise.

State monopoly capitalism & imperialism have relegated the "free market" & "lassez faire" (sp?) capitalism to the museum.

Chinese workers are no more at fault for low quality than U.S. workers. These are a function of management decisions to maximize profit.
 
fish on said:
answer no the Chinese wage -benefit package has gone up 300% in the last year! They will go to that level! China will climb! Yes it will and is but not 300% in a year. Average wage/benefit increase in China last year was ~10%.
His company does now have a manufacturing plant in china and their workers earn $1.00 per hour including benefits!I call BS here. I have lived in China and managed manufacturing plants for US and other foreign companies for almost 15 years. The wages are much lower than US wages but not $1.00/hr including benefits. Our current average wage for semi-skilled factory workers is about 30 rmb/hr(~$4.25US) plus benefits of about 45%. At this moment I am sitting in Shanghai
He stated that the U.S. citizen plant manager earns salary equivalent to U.S. and lives very well in China!!!Correct

See replies above
 
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John -

Sorry. I know you did not write it. In editing the quote, I somehow missed it. will try to edit if I can.
 
berlowmj said:
If globalization meant cooperation and a commitment to human rights including worker safety, benefits, & living wages then it could be progressive. Proletarian internationalism would mean globalization in the interests of the working class.

Currently, gloablization is capitalist internationalism for the sole purpose of maximizing profits. The deindustrialization of America has led to a decline of our nation's middle class. Outsourcing has accelerated this decline as it extends to skilled & service workers.

Human rights violations including child labor, sweatshops, prison labor, & other abuses are the order of the day. Stores like Walmart have worked to establish monopolies, by driving out small business & this control of the market has led to low quality merchandise.

State monopoly capitalism & imperialism have relegated the "free market" & "lassez faire" (sp?) capitalism to the museum.

Chinese workers are no more at fault for low quality than U.S. workers. These are a function of management decisions to maximize profit.


Well that's quite a lot to digest. Actually human rights violations are the order of the day UNTIL people become empowered enough to demand that the government change and enforce the law regarding such treatment. In every country in the world you will find cases of human rights violations and exploitation of people. Do you think that this is something new? Globalization cannot stand for a "commitment to humanity".

That's because Globalization is simply a force of commerce that dictates that industry shall go where labor is cheap and plentiful, be that from America to China or from California to Alabama. All Globalization stands for is the fact that the world gets smaller and more alike every day. This morning my father called me to tell me about the herbs, spices and meat he bought from the Chinese market in Oklahoma City while I was browsing a menu for Papa John's Pizza here in Xiamen, China.

I am not a big fan of Wal-Mart's practices even though I admire what Sam Walton built. There have however been studies that show that small businesses have actually done better in towns where Wal-Mart showed up. Two examples that stand out are a independent craft store and a paint store both in the same strip mall complex as a giant Wal-Mart. Both said that their customer count is way up due to the sheer volume of people Wal Mart attracts and due to the fact that they specialize in a lot of things that Wal-Mart doesn't carry.

In China the middle class is 300 million strong and that class IS demanding better governance and better conditions. 15 years ago this class of people barely existed. My wife's aunt just told us she used to earn 36rmb per month just 25 years ago. Now the average wage for a factory job is 1200rmb per month. How does that compare to the wage increases in the USA in that time period? As we already know every country has enough resources to make bombs and wage war - killing is cheap.

You call it imperialism and opportunistic capitalism and yet you fail to see that this is precisely what the world needs in order to stand up for itself. Competition begets progress pure and simple. When people make more money then they have more resources to become activists for change or the luxury to be apathetic. When they are barely making enough to live then they are focused on survival.

It's obvious that communism doesn't work on a large scale. Because even under the arms of "brotherhood" people still exploit other people whenever and wherever they can. That's human nature and only those who have both the leisure to explore morality and the means to do something about it are able to overcome the basic sense of survival of the fittest and subjugate their natural tendencies to dominate and exploit in order to peacefully coexist.

I won't argue that government interference hasn't harmed the free-market. The thing is that while a free market is generally the best thing for trade it's not always going to be truly free as long as government is tasked with regulating commerce. You can't have it be both ways, either you want government protection or you don't. And with that comes laws and regulations that benefit one group while harming another. That constant tension is a part of life in civilized society.

Better than than roaming bands of thugs.

Reccommended reading/listening on globablization, The Lexus and the Olive Tree by by Thomas L. Friedman

"Perhaps the most famous theory presented in this book is the Golden Arches Theory of Conflict Prevention, which states: "No two countries that both had McDonald's had fought a war against each other since each got its McDonald's". (A variant of the democratic peace theory.)" Wikipedia
 
Thomas Friedman's caricatures of political science

JB Cases said:
Well that's quite a lot to digest. Actually human rights violations are the order of the day UNTIL people become empowered enough to demand that the government change and enforce the law regarding such treatment. In every country in the world you will find cases of human rights violations and exploitation of people. Do you think that this is something new? Globalization cannot stand for a "commitment to humanity".

That's because Globalization is simply a force of commerce that dictates that industry shall go where labor is cheap and plentiful, be that from America to China or from California to Alabama. All Globalization stands for is the fact that the world gets smaller and more alike every day. This morning my father called me to tell me about the herbs, spices and meat he bought from the Chinese market in Oklahoma City while I was browsing a menu for Papa John's Pizza here in Xiamen, China.

I am not a big fan of Wal-Mart's practices even though I admire what Sam Walton built. There have however been studies that show that small businesses have actually done better in towns where Wal-Mart showed up. Two examples that stand out are a independent craft store and a paint store both in the same strip mall complex as a giant Wal-Mart. Both said that their customer count is way up due to the sheer volume of people Wal Mart attracts and due to the fact that they specialize in a lot of things that Wal-Mart doesn't carry.

In China the middle class is 300 million strong and that class IS demanding better governance and better conditions. 15 years ago this class of people barely existed. My wife's aunt just told us she used to earn 36rmb per month just 25 years ago. Now the average wage for a factory job is 1200rmb per month. How does that compare to the wage increases in the USA in that time period? As we already know every country has enough resources to make bombs and wage war - killing is cheap.

You call it imperialism and opportunistic capitalism and yet you fail to see that this is precisely what the world needs in order to stand up for itself. Competition begets progress pure and simple. When people make more money then they have more resources to become activists for change or the luxury to be apathetic. When they are barely making enough to live then they are focused on survival.

It's obvious that communism doesn't work on a large scale. Because even under the arms of "brotherhood" people still exploit other people whenever and wherever they can. That's human nature and only those who have both the leisure to explore morality and the means to do something about it are able to overcome the basic sense of survival of the fittest and subjugate their natural tendencies to dominate and exploit in order to peacefully coexist.

I won't argue that government interference hasn't harmed the free-market. The thing is that while a free market is generally the best thing for trade it's not always going to be truly free as long as government is tasked with regulating commerce. You can't have it be both ways, either you want government protection or you don't. And with that comes laws and regulations that benefit one group while harming another. That constant tension is a part of life in civilized society.

Better than than roaming bands of thugs.

Reccommended reading/listening on globablization, The Lexus and the Olive Tree by by Thomas L. Friedman

"Perhaps the most famous theory presented in this book is the Golden Arches Theory of Conflict Prevention, which states: "No two countries that both had McDonald's had fought a war against each other since each got its McDonald's". (A variant of the democratic peace theory.)" Wikipedia

Congratulations! You & Friedman have found the solution to world peace. Since McDonalds does not use pork in its healthfare, the War on Terror can merely adopt a strategy of carpet bombing the Muslim world with 1/4 pounders. Vegans have been fairly peaceful so they are not a threat. Many Israelis require kosher fare, but they never could take a joke- they think missiles directed at their school children are acts of war. Those sausage breakfasts should capture the hearts of Italians & Poles. The Pope might be senile enough to be convinced that McDonalds sufficiently resembles schnitzel so that McDonalds' CEO could receive sainthood. Those gut busters might even be utilized in exorcism. After Donners Pass, the Mormons won't be hard to please & they can incorporate the sale of McDonalds franchises into their missions.

You are a slam dunk for a Nobel Prize.
 
berlowmj said:
Congratulations! You & Friedman have found the solution to world peace. Since McDonalds does not use pork in its healthfare, the War on Terror can merely adopt a strategy of carpet bombing the Muslim world with 1/4 pounders. Vegans have been fairly peaceful so they are not a threat. Many Israelis require kosher fare, but they never could take a joke- they think missiles directed at their school children are acts of war. Those sausage breakfasts should capture the hearts of Italians & Poles. The Pope might be senile enough to be convinced that McDonalds sufficiently resembles schnitzel so that McDonalds' CEO could receive sainthood. Those gut busters might even be utilized in exorcism. After Donners Pass, the Mormons won't be hard to please & they can incorporate the sale of McDonalds franchises into their missions.

You are a slam dunk for a Nobel Prize.

Not arguing the fact that McDonalds as an outlet for "food" is detrimental overall to the health of the world's people.

But it is quite a funny way to emphasize that countries where the people have sufficient means to afford foreign fast food franchises haven't fought against each other. Maybe they are too busy getting fat.

But anyway, it's more fun to rant than to try and see both sides of an issue isn't it?

I know that I am a slam dunk for the Nobel peace prize because my theory for global peace mandates that each and every adult get free massages and have sex every day. Then everyone will be too chilled and spent to be violent or oppressive. :-)
 
JB Cases said:
Not arguing the fact that McDonalds as an outlet for "food" is detrimental overall to the health of the world's people.

But it is quite a funny way to emphasize that countries where the people have sufficient means to afford foreign fast food franchises haven't fought against each other. Maybe they are too busy getting fat.

But anyway, it's more fun to rant than to try and see both sides of an issue isn't it?

I know that I am a slam dunk for the Nobel peace prize because my theory for global peace mandates that each and every adult get free massages and have sex every day. Then everyone will be too chilled and spent to be violent or oppressive. :-)

You have my vote
 
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