Scotch Doubles this past Saturday

King T

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He played it with follow, bumping up the 8-ball where it had no pocket. I tried to cinch it past the 4-ball since it was a Valley with big pockets, but no dice. So it was my fault for missing the 8-ball I guess. I asked him why he didn't use draw. He thought he'd draw it into the 3-ball.

I'd like to see the diagram of your shot on the 8 ball. In the diagram you show the 8 ball has a few pockets depending on how bad he left you?
 

Samiel

Sea Player
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Did you have a timeout available?

Were the 3, 8, 14 laying like that the entire rack?
We did have a timeout available and I'm kicking myself for not using it. I just assumed he would try to use draw. He's a good player, but I guess he didn't feel comfortable with draw (he stated he felt he would draw into the 3-ball, but I thought there was no problem).
 

Samiel

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I'd like to see the diagram of your shot on the 8 ball. In the diagram you show the 8 ball has a few pockets depending on how bad he left you?
The 8-ball ended up near the rail about two balls up and the cueball ended up a bit below where the 8-ball was. There was room to squeeze the 8-ball past the 4-ball and hope the rail was dead enough to hold and cheat the corner pocket. It bounced slightly wide.
 

King T

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The 8-ball ended up near the rail about two balls up and the cueball ended up a bit below where the 8-ball was. There was room to squeeze the 8-ball past the 4-ball and hope the rail was dead enough to hold and cheat the corner pocket. It bounced slightly wide.

Tough out.
 

Black-Balled

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Did he miss or did you miss???
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MmmSharp

Nudge is as good as a wink to a blind bat.
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Just playing devil's advocate here: Why complain about his shot when you left him so straight on the 14? Put the cue ball 3 to 12 inches higher or 3 to 8 inches lower and making the 14 with a good leave on the 8 becomes way easier, nearly automatic. To paraphrase an old rule book, remove the log from your own eye before criticizing the speck in someone else's. The same book also says something about glass houses. ;)

Mine is “ I’ll turn you into a champion. You’ll shoot shots you never thought you would. Welcome to my world “.
My go to line is "i left my partner an oppurtunity to be awesome"
 

gregcantrall

Just Don't Dog it. 🤷‍♂️
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Projecting confidence and care free for my partner.
Make that Team Mates. Keeping my mind right at leagues last night helped me ...keep up with The Wife and team mate.
3 person team, playing 9 ball with 2 games each for 18.
Oh what fun! Playing third in my first game I made the 9 and scratched. Keeping up with the Wife and team mate produce 2 fives and a four. Going into the finals needing both against the other teams Gunslinger was exhilarating. Making the Quigley Down Under shot for the final 9 ball is the only thing I remember. Uh accurate that is. Oh what fun seeing my method confirmation. 🤷‍♂️
 

OneHandedBreak

No handed breaks too
I did learn a lot though. I think we gave each other solid advice, but in the end, I think we each should have trusted our instincts instead of blindly following each others' advice. We both took shots we thought the other person wanted us to and probably would have done better had we just shot what we were comfortable with.
Just one question, and I will admit to having not read any further before posting this, but how much did you two discuss the shot beforehand? Communication is KEY in Scotch IMHO...
 

OneHandedBreak

No handed breaks too
Just playing devil's advocate here: Why complain about his shot when you left him so straight on the 14? Put the cue ball 3 to 12 inches higher or 3 to 8 inches lower and making the 14 with a good leave on the 8 becomes way easier, nearly automatic. To paraphrase an old rule book, remove the log from your own eye before criticizing the speck in someone else's. The same book also says something about glass houses. ;)
Holy crap you nailed it there. People sometimes play Scotch like it's a 4 way singles game.
 

Mensabum

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Playing for 3rd in a small Scotch Doubles tournament this weekend, I left this shot for my partner. He needed to make the 14-ball and get me shape on the 8-ball. He's a 550+ FargoRate on a bar box.

We ended up 4th. I was kind of upset.
Draw off the 14 and use the 3 to get better shape. High is tricky. That's a tight shape pattern. If you're going to use high, crank it 2 rails and kiss the 8 up for a Straight in side pocket shot. Perhaps that's what your partner was trying. Straight draw for a 550 might leave you off target toeard the 6 ball so draw and clip the 3 so the cb moves uptable for an easy 8. Don't clip the 3 so hard that it hits rail and comes up to block pocket. I'd go with high and put the 8 in the side.
 
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