See CTE visuals immediately

[Mirza]

Take a few shots from the DVDs where you know the visuals and the pivot (or the 5 shots that were mentioned often here).

Mark the spot on the cloth for each shot which sends the OB center pocket, when CB goes over it, use whatever method you want to find the correct spot (ghost ball, CP2CP, try and error, etc.).

Now, lets say for the example of the 5 different shots, set the CB and OB in all the predefined positions, go down in shooting position and aim the stick center CB to the marked spot on the cloth using the recommended bridge distance for that CB-OB distance (on the CTE Pro1 DVDs). Now pivot to the inside of the CB half a tip and pause. Now carefully stand up as straight back as you can. Now look for the two visual lines.

Repeat for all five shots and see what happens.

 

[duckie]

How can you look for something that doesn't exist?

And if I found out where to put the CB to make the OB go where I want, why would I need to look for invisible lines?

 

[Neil]

Take a few shots from the DVDs where you know the visuals and the pivot (or the 5 shots that were mentioned often here).

Mark the spot on the cloth for each shot which sends the OB center pocket, when CB goes over it, use whatever method you want to find the correct spot (ghost ball, CP2CP, try and error, etc.).

Now, lets say for the example of the 5 different shots, set the CB and OB in all the predefined positions, go down in shooting position and aim the stick center CB to the marked spot on the cloth using the recommended bridge distance for that CB-OB distance (on the CTE Pro1 DVDs). Now pivot to the inside of the CB half a tip and pause. Now carefully stand up as straight back as you can. Now look for the two visual lines.

Repeat for all five shots and see what happens.

Glad to see someone else using logic on here. Doesn't surprise me at all that it is you. I presented this same thing spelled out in detail to Dan. His reply was that he was no wheres near position to see the visuals. (of course it helps a lot if you are actually trying to see them.:wink

 

[Neil]

How can you look for something that doesn't exist?

And if I found out where to put the CB to make the OB go where I want, why would I need to look for invisible lines?

Why don't you tell us how? You are the one that sees ghost balls.

How do you line up the cb to the ghost ball if you don't draw an invisible line to do it?

 

[mohrt]

How can you look for something that doesn't exist?

And if I found out where to put the CB to make the OB go where I want, why would I need to look for invisible lines?

Do you really not see the point he wants to make, or are you just trying to argue? Maybe we need pocket billiards special olympics. :shakehead:

 

[Straightpool_99]

Take a few shots from the DVDs where you know the visuals and the pivot (or the 5 shots that were mentioned often here).

Mark the spot on the cloth for each shot which sends the OB center pocket, when CB goes over it, use whatever method you want to find the correct spot (ghost ball, CP2CP, try and error, etc.).

Now, lets say for the example of the 5 different shots, set the CB and OB in all the predefined positions, go down in shooting position and aim the stick center CB to the marked spot on the cloth using the recommended bridge distance for that CB-OB distance (on the CTE Pro1 DVDs). Now pivot to the inside of the CB half a tip and pause. Now carefully stand up as straight back as you can. Now look for the two visual lines.

Repeat for all five shots and see what happens.

I sincerely hope anyone who participates in the aiming debate has actually done this. It's 3 minutes of your life, after which you'll KNOW what is going on....I don't want to spoil it for you. Reach your own conclusions on the table, that's where it matters.

 

[8pack]

How can you look for something that doesn't exist?

And if I found out where to put the CB to make the OB go where I want, why would I need to look for invisible lines?

Pool requires some visualization skills..maybe you should ask yourself...self do I really wanna play pool.:grin: For some one who hits on something pool related now an then ,your in trouble if you cant see edges and creates lines.

But yet you can see a ghost.:shakehead:

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Take a few shots from the DVDs where you know the visuals and the pivot (or the 5 shots that were mentioned often here).

Mark the spot on the cloth for each shot which sends the OB center pocket, when CB goes over it, use whatever method you want to find the correct spot (ghost ball, CP2CP, try and error, etc.).

Now, lets say for the example of the 5 different shots, set the CB and OB in all the predefined positions, go down in shooting position and aim the stick center CB to the marked spot on the cloth using the recommended bridge distance for that CB-OB distance (on the CTE Pro1 DVDs). Now pivot to the inside of the CB half a tip and pause. Now carefully stand up as straight back as you can. Now look for the two visual lines.

Repeat for all five shots and see what happens.

If you don't see five different "visuals", you haven't done what's described.

If you need to try it to know that...

pj
chgo

 

[Neil]

If you don't see five different "visuals", you haven't done what's described.

If you need to try it to know that...

pj
chgo

Wrong, Pat. Your visuals are edge to A and center to edge. Those two visuals stay the same. However, your perspective of just where those two lines contact the ob will change slightly.

If you haven't tried it, you won't know that....

 

[oldmanatc]

Thanks Mirza, there was a shot i was having problems with consistently. Just did this and realized its was a 1/8th shot not ETA. Reverse engineering great idea.

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[Mirza]

Thanks Mirza, there was a shot i was having problems with consistently. Just did this and realized its was a 1/8th shot not ETA. Reverse engineering great idea.

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No problem pal, glad to help

 

[Mirza]

How can you look for something that doesn't exist?

And if I found out where to put the CB to make the OB go where I want, why would I need to look for invisible lines?

This thread obviously isn't for you, pass along.

 

[Mirza]

If you don't see five different "visuals", you haven't done what's described.

If you need to try it to know that...

pj
chgo

There are many examples of different optical illusions created by different visual perceptions (links bellow).

CTE Pro1 aiming system obviously uses them to its advantage, which users of the system have learned to see by trying it on the table and practicing with the instructions given by Stan. This thread is created with the idea of how to speed up that process and immediately see what you're looking for in different shots.

Here are couple of websites that illustrate and write about visual perception and optical illusions created by different perceptions:

http://thebrain.mcgill.ca/flash/a/a_02/a_02_p/a_02_p_vis/a_02_p_vis.html
http://www.scientificpsychic.com/graphics/
http://www.shutterstock.com/blog/optical-illusions-why-our-eyes-play-tricks-on-our-minds

I'm not gonna say what you want or don't want to do, that usually leads to some ugly disputes which I personally don't like, but my oppinion is if these scientists and others who worked on visual perception and optical illusions never tried, drew or whatever, if they haven't made these examples of how these can work to trick our eyes and mind, if they just thought about it, maybe they wouldn't come to these conlusions of how perception can trick us into seeing something that logically isn't there.

That is why sometimes logical thinking alone without pen and paper isn't enough in my oppionion (or in our case cue, balls and pool table).

I don't like to argue indefinately so if you still don't agree with me I'll leave it at that.

 

[Mirza]

I sincerely hope anyone who participates in the aiming debate has actually done this. It's 3 minutes of your life, after which you'll KNOW what is going on....I don't want to spoil it for you. Reach your own conclusions on the table, that's where it matters.

I sincerely hope so too, this thread IS ONLY for those who want to try this and report back.

 

[Mirza]

Glad to see someone else using logic on here. Doesn't surprise me at all that it is you. I presented this same thing spelled out in detail to Dan. His reply was that he was no wheres near position to see the visuals. (of course it helps a lot if you are actually trying to see them.:wink

Tnx pal

I just hope this will help someone who is having trouble using CTE Pro1 aiming system.

 

[oldmanatc]

I've got 2 things to say, once again thanks Marza this thread highlights the benefits CTE users would gain by having a forum to discuss it. Unfortunately too often CTE threads get derailed too quickly here.

Second, this will work better for lower angle shots, but for shots where CIT and CIS come into play, the CTE line will vary from tue GB line. Banks thats require English, where the same shot with CTE doesnt will also be effected.

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[Patrick Johnson]

There are many examples of different optical illusions created by different visual perceptions (links bellow).

CTE Pro1 aiming system obviously uses them to its advantage, which users of the system have learned to see by trying it on the table and practicing with the instructions given by Stan. This thread is created with the idea of how to speed up that process and immediately see what you're looking for in different shots.

Here are couple of websites that illustrate and write about visual perception and optical illusions created by different perceptions:

http://thebrain.mcgill.ca/flash/a/a_02/a_02_p/a_02_p_vis/a_02_p_vis.html
http://www.scientificpsychic.com/graphics/
http://www.shutterstock.com/blog/optical-illusions-why-our-eyes-play-tricks-on-our-minds

I'm not gonna say what you want or don't want to do, that usually leads to some ugly disputes which I personally don't like, but my oppinion is if these scientists and others who worked on visual perception and optical illusions never tried, drew or whatever, if they haven't made these examples of how these can work to trick our eyes and mind, if they just thought about it, maybe they wouldn't come to these conlusions of how perception can trick us into seeing something that logically isn't there.

That is why sometimes logical thinking alone without pen and paper isn't enough in my oppionion (or in our case cue, balls and pool table).

I don't like to argue indefinately so if you still don't agree with me I'll leave it at that.

So your explanation of the changing "perceptions" is that they're optical illusions? I guess that's as good as any other explanation we've heard.

Your reverse engineering approach isn't a bad idea, but it clearly illustrates what has been said all along about these changing "perceptions" - they're individual "shot pictures" learned by memorization, like every other aiming method. That doesn't mean they don't "work" (obviously they do if they're like other popular methods); just a comment about how they work.

pj
chgo

 

[Patrick Johnson]

...for shots where CIT and CIS come into play, the CTE line will vary from tue GB line.

This is the usual misconception about ghost ball. The ghost ball is located at whatever position is needed for the shot, not necessarily on the straight-in OB/pocket line.

pj
chgo

 

[swest]

Yes, this is a good idea (i.e., the reverse engineering). However, it is something that I did right at the beginning (only I did it with the three beginning shots that are right-cuts to the right corner pocket - i.e., CB at 26, OB at 33, 15-degree perception, move everything to the left 6", etc...).

And, yes, I was able to see exactly what you are trying to get us to see. And, yes, the difference in the 'visuals' is clear.

However (you knew that was coming, didn't you?), that doesn't change the fact that there is no prescription for how to pick the correct 'visual', apart from practicing it until the ball goes in, and then remembering what you did (oh, and Stan's, "almost there... almost there... there it is..." isn't a prescription).

Of course, when you execute the steps that you are given, with those three shots, and apply them rigorously, you get the logical result, which is that shots #2 and #3 hit the end rail 6" and 12", respectively, to the left of wherever shot #1 hits (and, in my case, shot #1 actually achieves the desired outcome of entering the pocket... that had me excited, for about the length of time it took me to set up on, and execute, shot #2, and watch it hit the rail, 6" to the left of the corner pocket).

 

[Mirza]

Yes, this is a good idea (i.e., the reverse engineering). However, it is something that I did right at the beginning (only I did it with the three beginning shots that are right-cuts to the right corner pocket - i.e., CB at 26, OB at 33, 15-degree perception, move everything to the left 6", etc...).

And, yes, I was able to see exactly what you are trying to get us to see. And, yes, the difference in the 'visuals' is clear.

However (you knew that was coming, didn't you?), that doesn't change the fact that there is no prescription for how to pick the correct 'visual', apart from practicing it until the ball goes in, and then remembering what you did (oh, and Stan's, "almost there... almost there... there it is..." isn't a prescription).

Of course, when you execute the steps that you are given, with those three shots, and apply them rigorously, you get the logical result, which is that shots #2 and #3 hit the end rail 6" and 12", respectively, to the left of wherever shot #1 hits (and, in my case, shot #1 actually achieves the desired outcome of entering the pocket... that had me excited, for about the length of time it took me to set up on, and execute, shot #2, and watch it hit the rail, 6" to the left of the corner pocket).

If you're willing to try stuff out on the table, read this and try it, it just might help you:

http://www.billiardsthegame.com/cte-dissecting-the-pivot-855