Seeing the contact point on the object ball.

straightline said:
Guys that pointed you out back when said you were a champion. Forced misses confuses you? B.S.

The carelessness comes by way of apathy. There is nothing I've discovered that combats lack of interest. "Trying harder" is a waste of time for me. But on that fatalist note and by the same token, that's just lack of preparation and not faulty method.
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OK....
 
Great quote for a PGA top player today, Cameron Young.... ''I was able to stay where my feet were''.
Allows a player to realize why his perception and shot outcome were Real, and learn.
 
Paul Bell said:
Hmmm, you may have a point. I did not copy the CutShots method correctly. It finds that to make the shot, the cue ball overlaps OB the same amount as the distance between OB-contact point and OB edge. That distance on OB and CB makes two contact points for the initial aiming line. The player, then, moves that line parallel toward cue-ball center to aim at OB.

Other things look similar in Patrick's figure with what is the OB center, the cue-ball center, and that aiming can be determined by double-the distance or double-the-overlap methods. No parallel shift described, however. As to how the middle of the CB is determined --- it appears to be the closest distance between cue ball and object ball. I do not see a step involving a parallel shift to the cue-ball center.

For what its worth, here's CutShots method:

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For an average Fargo rated player, I believe this "equal and opposite segment" description for cut shots is the best I have seen for my short time playing pool. I have been using this technique since I saw it here and I think it improved my game. It definitely makes lining up for the shot easier.
I noticed straightline described something similar also.

There is too much noise on aiming techniques out there so it's good to see a nugget once in a while imo.
 
VVP said:
For an average Fargo rated player, I believe this "equal and opposite segment" description for cut shots is the best I have seen for my short time playing pool. I have been using this technique since I saw it here and I think it improved my game. It definitely makes lining up for the shot easier.
I noticed straightline described something similar also.

There is too much noise on aiming techniques out there so it's good to see a nugget once in a while imo.
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Jimmy Reid introduced the Equal Angle Opposites approach in his instructional video(s). A friend explained the EAO notion to me in the 90s. That, in conjunction with the Wei Table "center point roll" ** I've read member posts about it which I can no longer find. I don't know who actually developed the geometry; must be painfully obvious to mathematicians but it solved every aiming issue regarding <WTF is this shot?>.../

** I coined the term as a description of the paralleling technique.
 
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straightline said:
Jimmy Reid introduced the Equal Angle Opposites approach in his instructional video(s). A friend explained the EAO notion to me in the 90s. That in conjunction with the Wei Table "center point roll" ** I've read member posts about it which I can no longer find. I don't know who actually developed the geometry; must be painfully obvious to mathematicians but it solved every aiming issue regarding <WTF is this shot?>.../

** I coined the term as a description of the paralleling technique.
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Equal Angle Opposites sounds complicated to me. If you extend the red line through the OB in the diagram you posted in post 89, you will see that the segment to the left of the extended line is equal to the segment to the right of the red line on the CB and vice-versa. Easier for me to visualize equal and opposite segments so I prefer to call it that way.

As you noted, the diagram is for a 30 degree cut, that’s why the aim line goes through the edge of the OB and the aim line is parallel to the red line. It works equally well for all cut angles.
 
VVP said:
Equal Angle Opposites sounds complicated to me. If you extend the red line through the OB in the diagram you posted in post 89, you will see that the segment to the left of the extended line is equal to the segment to the right of the red line on the CB and vice-versa. Easier for me to visualize equal and opposite segments so I prefer to call it that way.

As you noted, the diagram is for a 30 degree cut, that’s why the aim line goes through the edge of the OB and the aim line is parallel to the red line. It works equally well for all cut angles.
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Yes it creates equal sections at all point to point intersections
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This is a pretty flexible thing here. If you look at the red line crossing the blue line below, you have the essence of the center point roll. The crossing is always half way through the line of centers. If you lay your stick on the red line and roll it on the tip till the stick is over center CB, you have the parallel shot line. No T Square, no marks, no foul.


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I'm glad you get find this stuff helpful. Sorry for reposting this. AI and BilliardsAbout thinks Jimmy Reid posted the drawing. :ROFLMAO:
 
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jimstone said:
Hello, for those of you who use contact point aiming systems, where you first find the contact point on the object ball
by drawing a line from the pocket through the object ball, here is my question.
Let's say you have a long shot , and the object ball is a solid color. You step away from the object ball, after finding the contact point, and head
back to the cue ball which is say - 4 diamonds away. How do you keep track of that contact point on the object ball with your eyes? Thank you.
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For "every" shot, from straight in, to bank, I "aim" standing up. I start off evaluating the cue ball, to the object ball, and the rail or pocket. I then evaluate the cue ball to a "full" hit on the object ball and identify where that lands me. I can then make a mental adjustment of how "full" I need to hit the object ball to execute my goal. Starting off with evaluating that "full" hit each time helps me to more easily identify (along with years of experience) the correct "hit" and/or shot line. I then get down and shoot. I'm not evaluating a contact "point", I'm evaluating the fullness of the hit for each shot. Now, if I'm putting some kind of super spin on the cue ball I will adjust that line to compensate for it. Hope this helps.
 
works for you matt and that is about the same as for just naturally getting the two to match up.

as long as it doesn't take you too long to get it down play on.
 
Mensabum said:
Do you know when Jimmy first came up with THIS??
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I took a lesson once about 20 years ago from Jimmy Reid at his house in Nashville, TN. He taught me how to adjust my aim for spin. I won't go over it here, but it was so simple and easy (to someone of a certain skill level) it was like stealing. I could show you in person one day Mensa. JImmy was a really great guy, a mensa level intellect (seriously) and true legend. It was neat seeing his US Open 9 ball Trophy and World 8 Ball Trophy. This was before he became ill. I stayed in touch with him, and he was always extremely positive.
 
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straightline said:
Holgraphic sense. Golfers prolly have it along with all encompassing egos. Shots will always sit the same in your awareness. They become a language and just are. Cosmic Transversal Existentialism without the book and silly instructions.

In my not so humble thinkage.
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I know certain shots til the point I don't have to think about them. It might take a player 100+ intentional shots to learn how 2 rail shape works, where it breaks down, etc., but once you understand that you can just let your subconscious extrapolate. Just look at the shot, it looks good or it don't. I'm not bashing systems or physics either, knowing what to expect, where the author says the system breaks down, and testing your limits against what you read, etc. is a great way too.

That said, I still don't know the price of tea in China. :unsure:
 
Mensabum said:
Do you know when Jimmy first came up with THIS??
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The method? Never met him so no idea. His video(s) would be copyrighted though. Friend showed me the EAO idea and as explained, I found it confusing but after discovering the Wei geometry many years later It all came together. The diagram is mine though.
On EAO, I learned to do it using the stick to supply the red line. Place the tip on the cloth directly below the contact point and pivot over the cueball to the opposite point and segment. Even if the balls are too far apart, with the contact lattice in mind, you can visually confirm all the alignments including the base of the ghost ball if you need to.
 
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