Shaft Breaking/Shaft Raking

[Island Drive]

Front page article....Final Four

WoW, matters have def. heated up, with a pro breaking his cue, and another raking the table and forfeiting, exciting, been there done that, ''THE PAIN''.

 

[Rich R.]

Front page article....Final Four

WoW, matters have def. heated up, with a pro breaking his cue, and another raking the table and forfeiting, exciting, been there done that, ''THE PAIN''.

The same guy did both. It was Larry Nevel.
I hope his sponsors see how he represents them.

 

[everide]

he needs some chill pills

 

[vagabond]

In the contact sports you have the opportunity for legally releasing that energy/anger/frustraions on your opponent. In some non contact sports like volleyball,tennis etc one can legally release the emotions on the airfilled rubber ball. Pool being a non contact sport, there is nothing available to release those emotions except on to the pool stick. If u release it on the cue ball or object ball the balls may jump out of the table and hit the innocent bystanders/audience. Hence breaking the cue is much more better.
Do pool players imagine/assume/believe/fantasize that pool is a game of kings and queens and players are kings and queens ? Is that the reason pool players are not supposed to express any emotions? That is very Ironical. In the modern day, pool is nothing to do with the Royalty. We should stop our critical analysis and condemnation of the pool players and their free expression of emotions as long as they are not stepping on others. Most people enjoy watching the emotional display in other sports and why different standards for pool?
Pool should not be equated with Royalty. Don`t kid yourself.

 

[ponu82]

The same guy did both. It was Larry Nevel.
I hope his sponsors see how he represents them.[/QUOTE

the ones on the sideline analyzing everyones every move are the ones who play bad and don't know what it feels like to be competitive or good at something. Dont be such a hater.

 

[pt109]

In the contact sports you have the opportunity for legally releasing that energy/anger/frustraions on your opponent. In some non contact sports like volleyball,tennis etc one can legally release the emotions on the airfilled rubber ball. Pool being a non contact sport, there is nothing available to release those emotions except on to the pool stick. If u release it on the cue ball or object ball the balls may jump out of the table and hit the innocent bystanders/audience. Hence breaking the cue is much more better.
Do pool players imagine/assume/believe/fantasize that pool is a game of kings and queens and players are kings and queens ? Is that the reason pool players are not supposed to express any emotions? That is very Ironical. In the modern day, pool is nothing to do with the Royalty. We should stop our critical analysis and condemnation of the pool players and their free expression of emotions as long as they are not stepping on others. Most people enjoy watching the emotional display in other sports and why different standards for pool?
Pool should not be equated with Royalty. Don`t kid yourself.

I love this post.
I've never agreed with the people that say "I just play the table, not the
opponent."
In this game, you fight your opponent, just like a boxer.
And when you 'dig deep', emotions can get out of hand.
I've always admired Earl Strickland for his competitive ferocity.

I used to stake a player who must have broke 10 cues in action...
..I kept backing him because he tried with every thing he had.
The ones I wouldn't bet on were the ones who didn't try hard enough.

 

[DRW]

I love this post.
I've never agreed with the people that say "I just play the table, not the
opponent."
In this game, you fight your opponent, just like a boxer.
And when you 'dig deep', emotions can get out of hand.
I've always admired Earl Strickland for his competitive ferocity.

I used to stake a player who must have broke 10 cues in action...
..I kept backing him because he tried with every thing he had.
The ones I wouldn't bet on were the ones who didn't try hard enough.

Pt, I agree with everything you and Ravi said. You are not playing the ghost up there.:smile:

 

[mantis99]

In the contact sports you have the opportunity for legally releasing that energy/anger/frustraions on your opponent. In some non contact sports like volleyball,tennis etc one can legally release the emotions on the airfilled rubber ball. Pool being a non contact sport, there is nothing available to release those emotions except on to the pool stick. If u release it on the cue ball or object ball the balls may jump out of the table and hit the innocent bystanders/audience. Hence breaking the cue is much more better.
Do pool players imagine/assume/believe/fantasize that pool is a game of kings and queens and players are kings and queens ? Is that the reason pool players are not supposed to express any emotions? That is very Ironical. In the modern day, pool is nothing to do with the Royalty. We should stop our critical analysis and condemnation of the pool players and their free expression of emotions as long as they are not stepping on others. Most people enjoy watching the emotional display in other sports and why different standards for pool?
Pool should not be equated with Royalty. Don`t kid yourself.

I simply can't buy this. Acting that way is simply poor sportsmanship. We reprimand little kids for this type of behavior. There is no excuse for it. Adults need to control themselves better than this. I think fines and suspensions are in order for this type of behavior, especially when it occurs more then once in a single tournament.

 

[Island Drive]

I simply can't buy this. Acting that way is simply poor sportsmanship. We reprimand little kids for this type of behavior. There is no excuse for it. Adults need to control themselves better than this. I think fines and suspensions are in order for this type of behavior, especially when it occurs more then once in a single tournament.

Easier said than to do, the "Pains" of dealing with infinitesimal amounts have to surface somehow, I'm not condoning, but the extremes our game creates ''within'' can take the best out of MANY. Now if by losing this match the player would of only won, lets say $100,000, then attitudes could possibly have been different. These are broke pool players, every dollar gives or takes their freedom, because of this....PAIN is more likely to be on display.

 

[dareads]

I simply can't buy this. Acting that way is simply poor sportsmanship. We reprimand little kids for this type of behavior. There is no excuse for it. Adults need to control themselves better than this. I think fines and suspensions are in order for this type of behavior, especially when it occurs more then once in a single tournament.

You are correct mantis, we do reprimand "little kids" for this behavior to teach them sportsmanship. The reason we have to teach that is because sports, even at a young age is still emotional and competitive. It's human nature for people to feel and yes, express emotion. Some people will walk outside and let out a yell, some, you guessed it, break their cues. Everyone has their own way of dealing with emotions and stress, I can't say I condone breaking your cue, but it's his money and if that's what he feels is right at the time, so be it. I definitely don't think fines or suspensions are in order for breaking his own equipment.

 

[mantis99]

The same guy did both. It was Larry Nevel.
I hope his sponsors see how he represents them.[/QUOTE

the ones on the sideline analyzing everyones every move are the ones who play bad and don't know what it feels like to be competitive or good at something. Dont be such a hater.

I disagree with this post as much as any other I have seen. To suggest that it takes this type of outward emotion to be competitive and good at something is easily proven wrong when looking at professional athletes. Pete Sampras, Michael Jordan, Walter Payton, Allison Fisher. I could go on and on about athletes who have dominated but not shown a lack of control of their emotions. As a matter of fact, most would suggest that controlling your emotions, and possibly using them as fuel for your competitive nature, is much better than losing your cool. I have never seen an athlete lose their cool and be better for it. This is particularly important in pool as pool does not allow for emotional release in the game, and that type of thing actually tends to interfere with your stroke.

It has always bothered me when an athlete behaves poorly and people say ,"wow, he is just so competitive", as if it is a level of competitiveness above others that brings this out. I would suggest that many are that competitive, but simply do a better job of controlling their emotions. I am not saying that it is an easy thing to do, ar that people don't make mistakes. I am saying however, that when it happens, it should not be looked upon as a good thing, and that excuses should not be made to explain it (of course their may be underlying stresses such as the recent lose of a loved one, but that is not what I mean). Just call it a mistake, and something that person should work on, and go from there.

 

[mantis99]

You are correct mantis, we do reprimand "little kids" for this behavior to teach them sportsmanship. The reason we have to teach that is because sports, even at a young age is still emotional and competitive. It's human nature for people to feel and yes, express emotion. Some people will walk outside and let out a yell, some, you guessed it, break their cues. Everyone has their own way of dealing with emotions and stress, I can't say I condone breaking your cue, but it's his money and if that's what he feels is right at the time, so be it. I definitely don't think fines or suspensions are in order for breaking his own equipment.

I do agree that people have to be allowed to express emotions, but like everything else, their are limits to what should be allowed. Like most other sports, pool should have a certain level of behavior that is expected. I probably would not fine him for the first offense, but I would warn him, and would levy a punishment after a second. The video did not look like he was really even trying to break the shaft, so it would be hard to get too stern regarding that, but the second act of poor sportsmanship in two matches makes it easier to punish the offenses.

 

[vagabond]

I simply can't buy this. Acting that way is simply poor sportsmanship. We reprimand little kids for this type of behavior. There is no excuse for it. Adults need to control themselves better than this. I think fines and suspensions are in order for this type of behavior, especially when it occurs more then once in a single tournament.

That happend in a sports arena and not in a broadway show theatre or a Four Season Restaurant where it may be considered as inappropriate. It s all relative and all depends on the scenario/context .

If he did anything when his opponent was at the table it is reasonable to consider diciplinary action. He did this during his time at the table. It was on his way back to his chair and I consider that as his time at the table.

I do remember when some people on this forum criticized 'Black Widdow' for celebrating after her win. Is one supposed to weep /cry after winning a match?

 

["T"]

Understandable yes, excusable no.