can u take schon piloted shaft and retap it for 3/8 size and face it off i tend to li the way older shafts w/ long taper play as opposed to new laminated shafts i love flat face joints but i also like the zing from a good piloted joint hit. all im askin is can u take an older high end shaft that has a small pin and tap it to take 3/8 ??
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I'm sure the pro's will be around shortly to address issues with the inserts and stuff, but I will point out that Shaft collars are not all the same size, so this may or may not matter to you. Certainly the pilot can be faced off at any rate.
The general answer is yes but the shaft will need to be plugged & re-threaded.
There are different designs of a pilot that may come into play but the procedure is the same.
The Schon that you mentioned has a pilot system that is somewhat unique.
The capped bottom ring with incorporated pilot, the brass insert and the shaft wood
interlock to one another and support each other and the joint as a unit.
Removing the pilot & insert will remove that desirable condition.
It can still be done, I'm just informing you of what you will be losing in the process.
Basically it becomes like every other big pin shaft at that point.
I'm going to suggest a phenolic insert/plug.
That may give you some of your 'zing' back.
KJ
There are different designs of a pilot that may come into play but the procedure is the same.
The Schon that you mentioned has a pilot system that is somewhat unique.
The capped bottom ring with incorporated pilot, the brass insert and the shaft wood
interlock to one another and support each other and the joint as a unit.
Removing the pilot & insert will remove that desirable condition.
It can still be done, I'm just informing you of what you will be losing in the process.
Basically it becomes like every other big pin shaft at that point.
I'm going to suggest a phenolic insert/plug.
That may give you some of your 'zing' back.
KJ
zing zing youve got it!
could that be the answer im looking for phenolic insert gives a different hit im currently playing w a 60in cue wood to wood and miss THE hit from pilot joints ofcourse i am using a wood ferrule also could this b killin my feedback i tend to think it doesnt spin ball as much if i dont want it to but if i load up it reacts here is what i think the big pin is a dud if u aint got great wood behind it because i ve held alot of cues w 3-8-11 pin and not all hit or spin as wsell as others. there has been a lot of lost art in making a shaft with all the laminators around like ob tiger predator mezz etc what ever happened to a 6 or 7 yr old piece of maple ????
could that be the answer im looking for phenolic insert gives a different hit im currently playing w a 60in cue wood to wood and miss THE hit from pilot joints ofcourse i am using a wood ferrule also could this b killin my feedback i tend to think it doesnt spin ball as much if i dont want it to but if i load up it reacts here is what i think the big pin is a dud if u aint got great wood behind it because i ve held alot of cues w 3-8-11 pin and not all hit or spin as wsell as others. there has been a lot of lost art in making a shaft with all the laminators around like ob tiger predator mezz etc what ever happened to a 6 or 7 yr old piece of maple ????
I am sure the CMs will chime in but.......
I think you will find that isn't really true. Lots of art and development still going on in shafts without talking about laminating.
The CM that I have been talking to about building my cue was very interested in my preferences for specs. I put the balance first and told him all that I prefer......and left the taper to him because I see that as his expertise as a cue maker. I will try what he says will work best in that department.
It isn't true of just the smaller custom shops either. For example JOSS is still actively developing shafts including ferrules, tips, etc. And they are not laminating.
We often pay so much attention to the artistry of the butts and the technology of the engineered shafts that the wizardry that goes into the traditional wood shafts gets overshadowed in the conversation. Trust me, that wizardry is sill there and these cue makers often put a hell of a lot of development into their own formula for a shaft. IMHO being the business end of the cue it is the first most important thing. You will find lots of threads about them pursuing old high grade wood for those shafts too.
There is, and always has been, lots of searching for shafts that play differently. Ray Schuler offered 10 different shaft tapers as standard equipment options. Each taper plays a little differently.
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well all i know is that i used to love an old old long tapered shaft 30 31inches w and ivory ferrul or old micarta and they played great.. nowadays i play with more touch and slower speed and wood ferrule puts balls right in middle of pocket rather than squirtn lft or right. what i want to know is why is the shaft market so flooded that u dont know whats actually a good deal i always thought a good 4-5 yrs of hangin between turns made a good hitting shaft shaft regardless of materials. so whats the deal with it i want mine to produce torque and spin at my discretion i never realized how much every body is into this low deflection bs im confuzed .
well all i know is that i used to love an old old long tapered shaft 30 31inches w and ivory ferrul or old micarta and they played great.. nowadays i play with more touch and slower speed and wood ferrule puts balls right in middle of pocket rather than squirtn lft or right. what i want to know is why is the shaft market so flooded that u dont know whats actually a good deal i always thought a good 4-5 yrs of hangin between turns made a good hitting shaft shaft regardless of materials. so whats the deal with it i want mine to produce torque and spin at my discretion i never realized how much every body is into this low deflection bs im confuzed .
I believe that material is of the utmost importance in shafts. If you do everything else correctly when making a shaft, but start out with a sow's ear, you'll never get a silk purse.
Just what constitutes correct in making a shaft varies considerably.
Alan
Just what constitutes correct in making a shaft varies considerably.
Alan