Shane Has Won World Titles

Apart from incorrectly using the term "false comparison", what you are saying is simply false. It absolutely is the case that whoever wins the tournament was the best player on the day.

SVB has competed in, and lost, numerous individual World titles. This means that on each and every occasion there was at least one player better than him on that day.

Someone cited a "study" that "proved" momentum in pool matches earlier in the thread. A subjective opinion of a tiny sample in an uncontrolled environment only proves the gullibility of some readers. Garbage.

Can you show where that "someone" or that "study" ever used the word "proved" When discussing momentum?

Clock is ticking, otherwise I'll assume that a "lack" of "reading comprehension" is to "blame".
 
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Utter tosh. Using your massively flawed logic you'd think that Usain Bolt would be winning every marathon in the land - it's just the same thing over a longer distance isn't it? :rolleyes:

Wow, what a terrible analogy. This quite clearly evidences some deep gaps in your critical thinking skills as well as ignorance of probability and statistics.
 
This is definitely not the case. This is abut the first time I've ever seen Shane beating Dennis to the shot in defensive sequences, and I've never seen him outplay Pagulayan or Efren defensively. In fact, it was their very ordinary tactical play that doomed Shane and Earl at the recent World Cup of Pool.

That said, for one week, Shane was the best defensive player, better than all comers. I think that years of one pocket (and now 14., too) have gradually refined his speed control and finesse, and his cue ball control in defensive play is, in fact, much better than it was two years ago.

It's just another instance of Shane working his tail off to develop/perfect a new skill. To me, that makes his defensive excellence in the US Open even more impressive.

He's been very strong defensively longer than a lot of people realize but goes overlooked.
 
LEL. What are you smoking? Get a grip on yourself

That's my point you clown. people haven't noticed because their too busy talking about his break.

go back and watch some of his matches for the cheese and you'll see who's smoking what,
 
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In this particular model, if Jane plays one of the other players (call him Bob), then her chances of winning are going to be identical whether playing winner break or alternate break. Specifically, in a race to 11, Jane will win 68.78% of the time if she wins the lag, and 67.18% of the time if she loses the lag. The numbers are the same whether it's winner break or alternating break. In a race to 7, these numbers are 65.51% and 63.37%, depending on who wins the lag.

Agreed, Jane's probability of winning any particular match will not change whether it's alternate or winner break.

I do think it's interesting that, in this model, winner break matches will generate Momentum in the data and what will seem to be an amplification of skill variation. i.e. Big breakers, such as Jane, will seem extremely dominant during winner break formats - by blowing out their opponents, something you pointed out.

So I guess the question is under what conditions -if any- does alternate vs. winner break make a difference? -aside from average match length!
 
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The level of stupidity on this forum is absolutely astonishing. For someone not to understand that short races and alternate break format favors the weaker player and levels the playing field is utterly amazing.

The fact remains that Shane would horsef@#$ any other human alive in a race to 100 on any table, any rack, any form of 9 or 10 ball. Someone please prove me wrong because I don't think anyone will play him.
 
The level of stupidity on this forum is absolutely astonishing. For someone not to understand that short races and alternate break format favors the weaker player and levels the playing field is utterly amazing.

The fact remains that Shane would horsef@#$ any other human alive in a race to 100 on any table, any rack, any form of 9 or 10 ball. Someone please prove me wrong because I don't think anyone will play him.

No question about it, the longer the race the greater the probability of the better player winning the race. As for alternate break, that's what ineedaspot and I have been discussing. Not sure under what conditions, alternate vs. winner break alters the probability of winning a particular set.
 
He's been very strong defensively longer than a lot of people realize but goes overlooked.

Some of us go to or watch the stream of all the big events, and we've seen what we've seen. We didn't overlook his defensive imperfections, but instead saw them first hand. Spartan noticed the same in this year's World Championships.

Have seen his matches this year pre-US Open like W9B matches and his safety game was poor. Maybe his safety game caught a gear from now on . if that is the game that makes him a more complete player. Earlier this year, when Ralf was commentating in booth at W9B he mentioned that Niels greatly improved his safety game in past few years and as a result his overall game improved by leaps and bounds culminating in W9B win. A much improved safety game may do the same thing for Shane :D

I spend about fifty days away from home on the tournament trail as a spectator every year, and Shane plays in nearly every one of the events I attend. I've seen countless Shane matches just this year alone and, believe me, he has never played this kind of defense in any of the matches I watched.

This is not more of the same from Shane ..... but that's what makes it so exciting, for if Shane has learned to play the kind of defense we saw over the past week, he has brought his game to an even higher level than some of us ever imagined possible of this already proven superstar of our game.

Congrats to Shane for reaching even higher in his already incredible game of pool. Markedly improved defensive play had much to do with Shane's great victory. Believe it!

If tis is the defense we can expect of SVB in the future, the competition may be in deep trouble.
 
The level of stupidity on this forum is absolutely astonishing. For someone not to understand that short races and alternate break format favors the weaker player and levels the playing field is utterly amazing.

The fact remains that Shane would horsef@#$ any other human alive in a race to 100 on any table, any rack, any form of 9 or 10 ball. Someone please prove me wrong because I don't think anyone will play him.

Are you sharing the stuff your smoking ,, don't give up your day job,, if player A enters 50 tournaments and Shane enters the same ones and player A has a higher winning percentage , he's a better tournament player , period ,, the sample size would be large enough for all the variances to equal out ,, and a diffinitive conclusion can be made

The fact is some players be it age , conditioning , mental concentrating ability are not geared for gaff 100 game races ,, if they start off shooting 950 for the first 50 games and then it drops to 930 the second 50 and 910 the 3rd 50 this is because they are getting worn down ,, we saw that happen to Eferan this ,, when this happens it's not because Shane's that much better it's because the other guy couldn't substain the level of play over a long period of time ,, it's simply not a tell all about 2 players skill level

And I highly doubt he will be Horse Fu$&ing either of those Ko boys ,,Chang or a couple others over at thier house,,

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The level of stupidity on this forum is absolutely astonishing. For someone not to understand that short races and alternate break format favors the weaker player and levels the playing field is utterly amazing.

The fact remains that Shane would horsef@#$ any other human alive in a race to 100 on any table, any rack, any form of 9 or 10 ball. Someone please prove me wrong because I don't think anyone will play him.

That is not true. Dennis would destroy him at hard times. Shane and his backers would not give Dennis action there. I bet Dennis would be at Hard times in a heartbeat if you told him Shane wanted to play a race to 100 there.
 
There are champions and there are players

Great players destroy champions. Have for years. And years and years. Things are changing though. Some of the best players are not old enough to drink. Some are almost too old to drive.
They do beat champions. Being over rated or believing the hype or being under rated is what looses or makes the cash. Believe it until you are busted.

Nick :)
 
And pal, a word you've taken to using.

Any particular reason?

I like the way it sounds when I say it. Thank you for noticing the change in my vernacular Thaiger. If I were gay I'd be flattered at the level of attention you pay to me.

As it is it's kind of stalkerish but good to know I have "fans" even if they are just stalkers.

As well all the argumentative Brits are anonymous and like to troll. That's called taking the piss isn't it?

Do you get a jolly good laugh when you take the piss out of someone anonymously?
 
That is not true. Dennis would destroy him at hard times. Shane and his backers would not give Dennis action there. I bet Dennis would be at Hard times in a heartbeat if you told him Shane wanted to play a race to 100 there.

I'll tell you what. I've got $10,000 that says Shane will beat Dennis in a race to 100 10-ball at Hard Times. Book it danno
 
Enough with this race to 100 BS.

You know how I know that Shane is the best player in the world right now? By the simple fact he has dominated the money list in the last 6 to 7 years. Over $150k earned in the last 4 years consecutively.

Who else has done that? In a time when pool is dying, and tournaments don't pay anything, he still remains on top.

Remember when Garreth Potts had his brief stay atop the leader board at the beginning of this year? When he won one tournament? What has he done since? Anyone?
 
The level of stupidity on this forum is absolutely astonishing. For someone not to understand that short races and alternate break format favors the weaker player and levels the playing field is utterly amazing.

The fact remains that Shane would horsef@#$ any other human alive in a race to 100 on any table, any rack, any form of 9 or 10 ball. Someone please prove me wrong because I don't think anyone will play him.

Alex already beat him, thanks goodnight
 
Enough with this race to 100 BS.

You know how I know that Shane is the best player in the world right now? By the simple fact he has dominated the money list in the last 6 to 7 years. Over $150k earned in the last 4 years consecutively.

Who else has done that? In a time when pool is dying, and tournaments don't pay anything, he still remains on top.

Remember when Garreth Potts had his brief stay atop the leader board at the beginning of this year? When he won one tournament? What has he done since? Anyone?

Shane's played in 30 something tournaments and thier all reporting payouts to AZ aside frome the wold tourneys not sure any others are reported in any other part of the world
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....and he beat #4 (twice) and #6 to win it all.

it's funny though that #3 and #9 did not join the Open. those were the guys who stopped Shane from getting a world championship, this year and last year. :smile:
 
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