Shane Has Won World Titles

ineedaspot said:
It's not that British humans are superior to American humans, it's that they start playing younger and teaching and drilling mechanics at a younger age. Snooker is a big deal over there. As a result, pro snooker players are overall better at striking a ball with stick accurately. It's the same reason that the US has better basketball players and Europe has better soccer players. Tradition, practice, and coaching from a young age.



Snooker pros don't need to come gamble in the US because they make tons of money already. The exception is women, and we saw what happened there, utter dominance and raising of women's 9-ball to another level.

The real question is the opposite of what you are asking. Pro pool is in shambles and pros don't make much money. Even Shane, who makes a decent living, doesn't come close to earning what top snooker players do. Why don't top pool players take a shot at pro snooker?
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I could agree that on average maybe snooker players start earlier but I don't think that's true.

But there is a point of diminishing returns at which both a snooker player and a pool player have as straight a stroke as humanly possible. So even if a British player started at 10 drilling and a pool player started at 14 when they are both 22 it is likely that both will strike the ball equally well.

And when the snooker women came to pool the level of womens pool was low in the usa. A male snooker player won't face the same level of male pool pros. He will face players capable of running sets out and doing everything perfectly that needs to be done. So what possible skill difference could he bring that guarantees him victory over the best pool players?

Could pool players be even better than they already are? I think so and have said as much. But to call all pool players second tier is ludicrous.

Steve Davis doesn't do that and I won't accept it from some anonymous nobody trolls either. They should at least show the respect that one of their best snooker players pays to the best pool players.
 
JB Cases said:
I could agree that on average maybe snooker players start earlier but I don't think that's true.

But there is a point of diminishing returns at which both a snooker player and a pool player have as straight a stroke as humanly possible. So even if a British player started at 10 drilling and a pool player started at 14 when they are both 22 it is likely that both will strike the ball equally well.

And when the snooker women came to pool the level of womens pool was low in the usa. A male snooker player won't face the same level of male pool pros. He will face players capable of running sets out and doing everything perfectly that needs to be done. So what possible skill difference could he bring that guarantees him victory over the best pool players?

Could pool players be even better than they already are? I think so and have said as much. But to call all pool players second tier is ludicrous.

Steve Davis doesn't do that and I won't accept it from some anonymous nobody trolls either. They should at least show the respect that one of their best snooker players pays to the best pool players.
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Steve 'interesting' Davis is highly unlikely to ever say anything disparaging about anything.

There really is no need for you to continually reference him. Find me ONE sportsman who slags off a champion from another discipline and I'll take note. Does not happen. But i can tell you for absolute certain steve davis sees pool as being an easier game to master than snooker.

For our Shane (swoon) fans, steve davis is a SIX times world champion.
 
Ron Swanson said:
Actually, ive meant to start a thread on this for a while. Americans appear to place great emphasis on banking, combos and, especially, safety play, whereas other nations avoid them where possible, preferring precise positional play to eliminate the need for them.

More widely, the reason for americacs slide into pooling obscurity is an inability to control the cue ball to the same standard as their superiors.
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lol you think Americans prefer those harder shots over getting position for an easier shot? And you think "other nations" prefer playing position so they have easier shots? Seriously?
 
BRussell said:
lol you think Americans prefer those harder shots over getting position for an easier shot? And you think "other nations" prefer playing position so they have easier shots? Seriously?
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No, not prefer, I'm saying they cannot play them, at least not consistently. Rewatch last year's MC, and you'll see why you lost so badly.

Bafflingly that variance is rarely mentioned. Imprecise positional play draws gasps of "bad luck" and "good effort", whereas, at the very highest level, it's the difference between success and failure.

Positional play and mental toughness are SVBs weaknesses. This is why he falls just short of world champion standards - for now. His break and his firepower are what makes him a formidable opponent over long race, winner breaks challenge matches.

Make no mistake about it - there are good, sound reasons why he is not a world champion.
 
JB Cases said:
I could agree that on average maybe snooker players start earlier but I don't think that's true.

But there is a point of diminishing returns at which both a snooker player and a pool player have as straight a stroke as humanly possible. So even if a British player started at 10 drilling and a pool player started at 14 when they are both 22 it is likely that both will strike the ball equally well.
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I don't agree. I think starting earlier matters. Have there been many (any) pros in golf or tennis that didn't start until 14? Or in snooker for that matter? I've read that John Schmidt didn't start playing pool until he was like 18, and he went on to win the US Open. This is utterly unheard of in tennis or golf (or, I'm assuming, snooker).

And also, the way that kids start matters. Having junior development programs doesn't just mean starting to play early, it means starting to play with proper instruction from the beginning. It also means having a group of peers that also takes the sport seriously and push each other to higher levels. And it means a wider talent base from which the elite are selected.


And when the snooker women came to pool the level of womens pool was low in the usa. A male snooker player won't face the same level of male pool pros. He will face players capable of running sets out and doing everything perfectly that needs to be done. So what possible skill difference could he bring that guarantees him victory over the best pool players?

Could pool players be even better than they already are? I think so and have said as much. But to call all pool players second tier is ludicrous.

Steve Davis doesn't do that and I won't accept it from some anonymous nobody trolls either. They should at least show the respect that one of their best snooker players pays to the best pool players.
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True, the analogy to the women's game isn't perfect. But still, my guess is that if top snooker pros devoted themselves fully to 9-ball, something similar would happen, though maybe not as dramatic. It's true, as you say, that top 9-ball players play almost perfectly.

But that brings up another problem, which is that 9-ball is too easy for top pros. It's effectively a breaking contest. This actually contributes to snooker players being better, they are playing a more difficult game. Bring the pockets in to 4" or 3.75" even. Then we'd see how perfectly they really play.

I don't know what Steve Davis said. But there are plenty of examples of top snooker players playing decent pro-level pool without even devoting themselves fully. For example, some did well in the IPT. Steve Davis did decently in the WPC a few times. There are others. But has any American pool player ever made a decent showing in any pro snooker tournament? Not to my knowledge. If they could, given the huge disparity in prize money, we'd see it happening.
 
Ok so I am a Scot who grew up playing in the snooker clubs.
I was by no mean a to player once I got decent my highest break was 82. I then moved to the US, I did not play anything for 2 years as there were no pool tables in the Midwest where I was
I then joined a local league after getting recruited from playing in a bar. I beat the team captain and APA 7 who was a decent player he got out if the table was open but like Ron said his cueing was awful. The chicken wing stroke the wide legged stance etc

However after playing and trying to enter some open tournaments I have appreciated that there is no way the top snooker players would be able to transition overnight. The break, push out, jump , kick safe etc are all parts of the game that would take some mastering. however where having a background in snooker helps is that you are fundamentally superior

within a short space of time you can be competing with top players, examles such as peach who couldn't break into the top 100 in snooker transitioned to pool in becasem world champions. Appleton although predominantly English 8 ball background but has the snooker fundamentals also became a world dominant player around 2010 after only playing the game for 3/4 years. shaw melling, feijen etc all the same, geez even steve davis and drago did alright when they tried it out for fun

anyone remember satuart pettman? came over after only playing for year or so and won the straight pool bigfoot and made a decent score in action playing rotation.

I have a new found respect for pool though because of the reason listed above but whereas snooker players will or fundamentally snooker style will take that portion and blend it with pool necessities tradtionall pool players will not adopt anything snooker orientated therefore we see mostly Europe and asia dominating in pool.

fiver for what the most popular cue game in Europe and asia is?
 
Ron Swanson said:
No, not prefer, I'm saying they cannot play them, at least not consistently. Rewatch last year's MC, and you'll see why you lost so badly.

Bafflingly that variance is rarely mentioned. Imprecise positional play draws gasps of "bad luck" and "good effort", whereas, at the very highest level, it's the difference between success and failure.

Positional play and mental toughness are SVBs weaknesses. This is why he falls just short of world champion standards - for now. His break and his firepower are what makes him a formidable opponent over long race, winner breaks challenge matches.

Make no mistake about it - there are good, sound reasons why he is not a world champion.
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you are an idiot of the highest order. You don't have the mental capacity to understand simple math and variance, you won't put your money where your mouth is, and you don't understand the game of pool at all as it relates to whom is the best player. Why won't any of those Europeans play Shane? The answer is the same reason that nobody else in the world will play him and that is because they and their backers know they can't win. FACT
 
actionplayer said:
Ok so I am a Scot who grew up playing in the snooker clubs.
I was by no mean a to player once I got decent my highest break was 82. I then moved to the US, I did not play anything for 2 years as there were no pool tables in the Midwest where I was
I then joined a local league after getting recruited from playing in a bar. I beat the team captain and APA 7 who was a decent player he got out if the table was open but like Ron said his cueing was awful. The chicken wing stroke the wide legged stance etc

However after playing and trying to enter some open tournaments I have appreciated that there is no way the top snooker players would be able to transition overnight. The break, push out, jump , kick safe etc are all parts of the game that would take some mastering. however where having a background in snooker helps is that you are fundamentally superior

within a short space of time you can be competing with top players, examles such as peach who couldn't break into the top 100 in snooker transitioned to pool in becasem world champions. Appleton although predominantly English 8 ball background but has the snooker fundamentals also became a world dominant player around 2010 after only playing the game for 3/4 years. shaw melling, feijen etc all the same, geez even steve davis and drago did alright when they tried it out for fun

anyone remember satuart pettman? came over after only playing for year or so and won the straight pool bigfoot and made a decent score in action playing rotation.

I have a new found respect for pool though because of the reason listed above but whereas snooker players will or fundamentally snooker style will take that portion and blend it with pool necessities tradtionall pool players will not adopt anything snooker orientated therefore we see mostly Europe and asia dominating in pool.

fiver for what the most popular cue game in Europe and asia is?
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Snooker. Sterling please - no dodgy jocko notes.
 
By the way, unless any one of you assclowns have the scratch to put down on a potential matchup with one of your so called champions against Shane, you can't reply to anything else.

<---------throwing the mic down and walking offstage, biatcccccchhhhhh
 
corvette1340 said:
you are an idiot of the highest order. You don't have the mental capacity to understand simple math and variance, you won't put your money where your mouth is, and you don't understand the game of pool at all as it relates to whom is the best player. Why won't any of those Europeans play Shane? The answer is the same reason that nobody else in the world will play him and that is because they and their backers know they can't win. FACT
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Lol.

O Shane, ooh,
You are so big, so absolutely huge.
Gosh, we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.
Forgive us, O Shane, for this, our dreadful toadying and bare-faced flattery, but You are so strong, and, well, just so super!
 
What you say here has merit.

actionplayer said:
Ok so I am a Scot who grew up playing in the snooker clubs.
I was by no mean a to player once I got decent my highest break was 82. I then moved to the US, I did not play anything for 2 years as there were no pool tables in the Midwest where I was
I then joined a local league after getting recruited from playing in a bar. I beat the team captain and APA 7 who was a decent player he got out if the table was open but like Ron said his cueing was awful. The chicken wing stroke the wide legged stance etc

However after playing and trying to enter some open tournaments I have appreciated that there is no way the top snooker players would be able to transition overnight. The break, push out, jump , kick safe etc are all parts of the game that would take some mastering. however where having a background in snooker helps is that you are fundamentally superior

within a short space of time you can be competing with top players, examles such as peach who couldn't break into the top 100 in snooker transitioned to pool in becasem world champions. Appleton although predominantly English 8 ball background but has the snooker fundamentals also became a world dominant player around 2010 after only playing the game for 3/4 years. shaw melling, feijen etc all the same, geez even steve davis and drago did alright when they tried it out for fun

anyone remember satuart pettman? came over after only playing for year or so and won the straight pool bigfoot and made a decent score in action playing rotation.

I have a new found respect for pool though because of the reason listed above but whereas snooker players will or fundamentally snooker style will take that portion and blend it with pool necessities tradtionall pool players will not adopt anything snooker orientated therefore we see mostly Europe and asia dominating in pool.

fiver for what the most popular cue game in Europe and asia is?
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Players transitioning from snooker to pool will not be able to play the kick safe/kick shot, and safety game better than pool players without tremendous effort and time being put in.

They may have superior potting skills and the ability to stay down on shots better (at high levels this is almost a necessity for consistency), but that's about it.

To say they are superior cueists is ridiculous though, cueing isn't just about potting and consistency, it's about doing exactly what you want with the balls you interact with.

Jaden
 
Ron Swanson said:
Steve 'interesting' Davis is highly unlikely to ever say anything disparaging about anything.

There really is no need for you to continually reference him. Find me ONE sportsman who slags off a champion from another discipline and I'll take note. Does not happen. But i can tell you for absolute certain steve davis sees pool as being an easier game to master than snooker.

For our Shane (swoon) fans, steve davis is a SIX times world champion.
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given the choice, which I have, I will take a six time world snooker champion's comments on the abilities of pool players over some anon who probably can't play at all.

And no Steve didn't say pool is easier to master. on the contrary he said some aspects are easier and others are harder.
 
corvette1340 said:
By the way, unless any one of you assclowns have the scratch to put down on a potential matchup with one of your so called champions against Shane, you can't reply to anything else.

<---------throwing the mic down and walking offstage, biatcccccchhhhhh
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Id bet against SVB. im not friends with the top players in the world like daz, orcullo, ko, niels, boyes etc so how would you plan I set up?

I am also not in the habit of gambling huge amounts of money that I do not have but I will bet a few hundo sweat bet on the other players listed above depending on the game. shane I think is obviously the favourite in 10 ball against anyone except ko because of the break, but ko already beat him out fo a big score so shane may have to work his way up to him ;)

8 or 9 ball straight or 1 pocket il take daz or orcullo or hohmann in 9,14, n 8
 
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