Shane/Mike Match

[robsnotes4u]

Where are you getting those?

The website is in the quote but you will not find the numbers there. I play at Fargo Billiards, Mike Page is a friend so we have discussed, or should I say listened to Mike Page a lot over the last few years

If you have been watching the tourney you will see percentages as the games change, and see FargoRate enabled




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[BRussell]

The website is in the quote but you will not find the numbers there. I play at Fargo Billiards, Mike Page is a friend so we have discussed, or should I say listened to Mike Page a lot over the last few years

If you have been watching the tourney you will see percentages as the games change, and see FargoRate enabled




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Gotcha. Yeah I've been poking around the website for the past week or so and following the Fargo ratings on the CSI stream. I'm looking forward to the official announcement with CSI and especially to the app coming out so we can do the calculations that you did above.

 

[robsnotes4u]

Gotcha. Yeah I've been poking around the website for the past week or so and following the Fargo ratings on the CSI stream. I'm looking forward to the official announcement with CSI and especially to the app coming out so we can do the calculations that you did above.

You will love it. There are a lot of amazing people involved.


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[one stroke]

You will love it. There are a lot of amazing people involved.


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Fortunately humans are the players MD has had some great success playing Shane before this match so how does Fargo compute the human element
How would it compute a bad shoulder or ADD that would play a affect in a longer race


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[robsnotes4u]

Fortunately humans are the players MD has had some great success playing Shane before this match so how does Fargo compute the human element

How would it compute a bad shoulder or ADD that would play a affect in a longer race





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I posted their website, www.fargorate.com. There is a lot of great information.


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[one stroke]

I posted their website, www.fargorate.com. There is a lot of great information.


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Let's just remember The As didn't win the World Series


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[midnightpulp]

So does long races where stamina of mind and body play a bigger role than pure talent ,,


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That's pretty much the case with all sports. Talent is "cheap" in a sense and is worthless without the stamina and the mental fortitude to back it up. You might have an extremely talented pitcher who is the best in the world for the 4 innings, but doesn't have the stamina and nerves to pitch beyond that. Same thing with basketball, football, etc. If you can't play at or near your peak for 4 quarters, you don't become a professional.

If pool player is only world class for short races and can't play at that level in longer races and sets, that player shouldn't be considered world class.

 

[one stroke]

That's pretty much the case with all sports. Talent is "cheap" in a sense and is worthless without the stamina and the mental fortitude to back it up. You might have an extremely talented pitcher who is the best in the world for the 4 innings, but doesn't have the stamina and nerves to pitch beyond that. Same thing with basketball, football, etc. If you can't play at or near your peak for 4 quarters, you don't become a professional.

If pool player is only world class for short races and can't play at that level in longer races and sets, that player shouldn't be considered world class.

Wrong ,, a world class sprinter is still world class even though he loses every race of a mile , is a reliever in baseball not world class or Curry not a world class basket ball player because his best shots are from the outside I could go on forever here , pool turney players are geared for short races not gaff races to 100

Those races simply only prove who's better at that particular race
Ko might beat Shane in every race 25 and under but lose every race to a 100 ,,
Sorry but that theory holds zero water
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[robsnotes4u]

Wrong ,, a world class sprinter is still world class even though he loses every race of a mile , is a reliever in baseball not world class or Curry not a world class basket ball player because his best shots are from the outside I could go on forever here , pool turney players are geared for short races not gaff races to 100



Those races simply only prove who's better at that particular race

Ko might beat Shane in every race 25 and under but lose every race to a 100 ,,

Sorry but that theory holds zero water

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So you are saying is I played Shane a race to one, and I broke and ran then I would be at his level? If not, how many games does it need to be? So where is this gaff line?


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[midnightpulp]

Wrong ,, a world class sprinter is still world class even though he loses every race of a mile , is a reliever in baseball not world class or Curry not a world class basket ball player because his best shots are from the outside I could go on forever here , pool turney players are geared for short races not gaff races to 100

Those races simply only prove who's better at that particular race
Ko might beat Shane in every race 25 and under but lose every race to a 100 ,,
Sorry but that theory holds zero water
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Sprinting and marathon running are entirely different sports requiring totally different physiques and training methods, even if they are built around the core aspect of running.

Curry is world class because he can perform at his best for 4 quarters. If the could only shoot lights out for one quarter, he wouldn't be a star. And a reliever in baseball is not a world class starting pitcher, which I was referring to in my example.

Every other major sport, and even pool's cue sport cousin snooker, structures matches at a length that requires stamina over 2-3-4 or more hours and sometimes days, like golf tournaments (I know pool tournaments can last a couple of days, but scoring isn't aggregate).

Races to 25 are fine for this regard, so if Ko can indeed beat Shane the majority of the time in those matches, I would consider him the better player.

I'm indicting short races to 5,7,9. Winning over that short a term means little. The best players will still reign supreme of course, but we never really "know" who is the best at the end of any given tournament year, since 10-15 players are all capable of getting hot and capturing the number one ranking. Albin is now the "number one" player in the world (per WPA) shooting up from 8 after his China Open win. You'd never see a player shoot up 8 places in the tennis or golf rankings after a single win.

I want to see pool structured in a way that sees a player dominating the number one ranking for years, like tennis or golf, or even during pool's 14.1 heyday (tournament play was more demanding back then. Round robin formats in addition to the fact that 14.1 is less luck based than the rotation games).

Just like Fast Eddie said in The Color of Money about tournament play, "It goes in streaks."

 

[Kris_b1104]

2015 will make 8 years since Shane won his first U.S. Open in 2007, hope he goes for the 4-peat and make it legendary. That will no doubt put him in the Hall of Fame, regardless of who's the best on the planet or not. And someone beating that feat is like someone beating Mosconi's high run of +500, not gonna happen in a million years. Fanboy out.

 

[one stroke]

So you are saying is I played Shane a race to one, and I broke and ran then I would be at his level? If not, how many games does it need to be? So where is this gaff line?


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well since Well since most tourneys are between 5-13 after enough of them are played a base line could be derived on who are the best Turny players ,
Since that's how players will be judged at the end of thier playing days that's how greatness will be measured
No one really cares how many home runs get hit in the home run contest

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[robsnotes4u]

So you are saying is I played Shane a race to one, and I broke and ran then I would be at his level? If not, how many games does it need to be? So where is this gaff line?





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well since Well since most tourneys are between 5-13 after enough of them are played a base line could be derived on who are the best Turny players ,

Since that's how players will be judged at the end of thier playing days that's how greatness will be measured

No one really cares how many home runs get hit in the home run contest



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Thanks I am glad you cleared that up. So Shane winning 4 US Opens, and the last three consecutively, along with falling in your match range ( race to 11 except for the finals being 13) makes him world class. Or as you say the base line has been derived.

I mean nobody has won three in row before him. BTW how many matches has he lost in those 4 U.S. opens?

Therefore, in your own words, greatness will be measured by his accomplishment.

Again, thanks for clearing it up.


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[midnightpulp]

Sprinting and marathon running are entirely different sports requiring totally different physiques and training methods, even if they are built around the core aspect of running.

Curry is world class because he can perform at his best for 4 quarters. If the could only shoot lights out for one quarter, he wouldn't be a star. And a reliever in baseball is not a world class starting pitcher, which I was referring to in my example.

Every other major sport, and even pool's cue sport cousin snooker, structures matches at a length that requires stamina over 2-3-4 or more hours and sometimes days, like golf tournaments (I know pool tournaments can last a couple of days, but scoring isn't aggregate).

Races to 25 are fine for this regard, so if Ko can indeed beat Shane the majority of the time in those matches, I would consider him the better player.

I'm indicting short races to 5,7,9. Winning over that short a term means little. The best players will still reign supreme of course, but we never really "know" who is the best at the end of any given tournament year, since 10-15 players are all capable of getting hot and capturing the number one ranking. Albin is now the "number one" player in the world (per WPA) shooting up from 8 after his China Open win. You'd never see a player shoot up 8 places in the tennis or golf rankings after a single win.

I want to see pool structured in a way that sees a player dominating the number one ranking for years, like tennis or golf, or even during pool's 14.1 heyday (tournament play was more demanding back then. Round robin formats in addition to the fact that 14.1 is less luck based than the rotation games).

Just like Fast Eddie said in The Color of Money about tournament play, "It goes in streaks."

In case OneStroke missed my post because of the page turn.

 

[one stroke]

Thanks I am glad you cleared that up. So Shane winning 4 US Opens, and the last three consecutively, along with falling in your match range ( race to 11 except for the finals being 13) makes him world class. Or as you say the base line has been derived.

I mean nobody has won three in row before him. BTW how many matches has he lost in those 4 U.S. opens?

Therefore, in your own words, greatness will be measured by his accomplishment.

Again, thanks for clearing it up.


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Yes he's a great American player

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[midnightpulp]

Thanks I am glad you cleared that up. So Shane winning 4 US Opens, and the last three consecutively, along with falling in your match range ( race to 11 except for the finals being 13) makes him world class. Or as you say the base line has been derived.

I mean nobody has won three in row before him. BTW how many matches has he lost in those 4 U.S. opens?

Therefore, in your own words, greatness will be measured by his accomplishment.

Again, thanks for clearing it up.


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Yes he's a great American player

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Sounds like a backhanded compliment.

Shane is still the best 9 and 10 ball player in the world (Ko is right on his heels, though) He beat Orcullo 100-81 (and it was over 3 days, so the stamina excuse can't be used) and drilled Nikos on his home turf, 50 to 21.

As far as all around, you can only put Daz, Orcullo, Alex P., and maybe Hohmann now, given his recent success.

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[one stroke]

Sounds like a backhanded compliment.

Shane is still the best 9 and 10 ball player in the world (Ko is right on his heels, though) He beat Orcullo 100-81 (and it was over 3 days, so the stamina excuse can't be used) and drilled Nikos on his home turf, 50 to 21.

As far as all around, you can only put Daz, Orcullo, Alex P., and maybe Hohmann now, given his recent success.

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We saw Efran hit a brick wall against Shane in a all around ,, Earl wearing ear muffs because he understands hearing taxes the mind tremendously in longer race any one who has see a sports psych knows this ,
So there are other factors to consider in races out side the standard set where it's rare not to get a rest between races , equivalent to heats of 100 yd dashes ,, that's considerd the gold standard of runners ,, can't make it there go to longer distances

Ko has already thumped Shane until I see Shane return the favor I'll roll with him as the best

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[BeiberLvr]

Yall know the match is over right?

 

[midnightpulp]

We saw Efran hit a brick wall against Shane in a all around ,, Earl wearing ear muffs because he understands hearing taxes the mind tremendously in longer race any one who has see a sports psych knows this ,
So there are other factors to consider in races out side the standard set where it's rare not to get a rest between races , equivalent to heats of 100 yd dashes ,, that's considerd the gold standard of runners ,, can't make it there go to longer distances

Ko has already thumped Shane until I see Shane return the favor I'll roll with him as the best

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They're definitely within a hair of each other, but it was only a single match. You can't draw much of anything from that. A past his prime Earl's beaten Shane a few times in long races, and I don't think we'd consider him a better rotation player (at his age) than Shane.

I'd like to see who's better, though, which is why I'm an advocate for long races. Thing is, Ko and Shane are so close, you might need 1000 games to really determine who is better.

Yes, and games/sports at their highest levels should be taxing. Races to 5 might have some pressure in needing to get out of the gate fast, but "mentally taxing" is something I wouldn't define them as.