Shane Repeats Masters win...

corvette1340 said:
hey retards, nobody is gonna play 216 holes of golf in a day, lmao. They play 18 holes a day. Race to 100 is not a marathon race when you play it over 3 days you morons.
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Dam really they don't play 216 holes in a day you really had me going :rolleyes:
Sorry Einstein a single race to 100 does not eliminate variances , players other than Shane simply are not geared for that long of race , mental fatigue ability to hold concentration surly becomes a factor and produces non forced errors ,
You would have to have many days and races to effectively ballance all the variances out


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Shane's incredible Jump-Cross-Side-Bank Shot

As I mentioned this shot in an earlier post here is the link to a clip of the actual shot
which I do believe Shane intentionally played which is backed up by the actions of the
participants shown in the video including Darren Appleton. :grin:


https://www.youtube.com/user/genipool14
 
TheThaiger said:
Endurance has no effect? Lol. Who wins when they play a thousand holes? The one who can stomach endless repetition and sheer tedium, Vet. FACT.
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It's amazing how inconsistent you are with your arguments. When snooker tournaments last figurative years and frames are played even slower than games of one pocket, you're okay with it. Not to mention English 8 ball games lasting like 6 hours on those tiny toy tables with players constantly blocking each other's pockets and using roll up snookers.

When we suggest pool should be structured similarly, you call it tedium.

An re: Cricket being a game for men:

In 1874 a group of 22 baseballers, including the great 'Cap' Anson, toured England to play a series of exhibition games. They fitted in a few cricket fixtures while they were here. They were unbeaten in all six games they played.
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^^^ And against the top clubs on your tiny island.

Ruth is supposed to have told Bradman: "I'll try this cricket business. Maybe it's my game." Ruth did, eventually. He came to England in the winter of 1935, and played a little cricket when he was in London. He struggled while he was taking an orthodox guard, so he switched back to his baseball stance and started walloping some net-bowlers to all parts.

"Sure I could smack the ball alright," he told the press afterwards. "How could I help it when you have a great wide board to swing?" All the same the game, Ruth decided, wasn't for him, just because "they tell me $40 a week is top pay for cricket".
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During his benefit year in 2008 Marcus Trescothick organised a baseball match between Somerset and the Great Britain national team, who are, as you might imagine, a fairly amateur bunch. The cricketers were hammered 21-1. Oddly enough it was the better batsmen who found it hardest to adjust. James Hildreth, his instincts honed by a lifetime spent practising with a high left elbow couldn't help but try and play cover-drives. Hard to do when you're holding a Louisville slugger.
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And when a failed baseball player dabbled in cricket, he easily became the best bowler of his time:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bart_King

George Giffen said "the Philadelphians really have some high-class players, but it was the fact of their bowlers playing us with baseball curves that upset our batsmen."[8]
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Cricket :rotflmao1:

A gimmick game played with a boat oar for a bat.
 
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one stroke said:
Dam really they don't play 216 holes in a day you really had me going :rolleyes:
Sorry Einstein a single race to 100 does not eliminate variances , players other than Shane simply are not geared for that long of race , mental fatigue ability to hold concentration surly becomes a factor and produces non forced errors ,
You would have to have many days and races to effectively ballance all the variances out


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But a race to 100 eliminates variance much more effectively than a race to 8.

And are you serious when you say that these players aren't geared for long races? The majority of these guys have played long races gambling, playing 10 ahead (which can last days and take hundreds of games at times), races to 50, 100. Appleton gambled playing Blackball in Britain, and that game is slower than shit. The Filipinos are probably the best long race players in the world. Parica, Efren, Orcullo, etc all have legendary endurance. I'm sure the Taiwanese play long races gambling, as well.

Tournament pool as currently structured is a side show and has never been the gold standard. I don't care how many short races tournaments you tag with the title, "World Championship."

Did you just get into pool a couple of years ago? Serious question.
 
poolhallbanger said:
As I mentioned this shot in an earlier post here is the link to a clip of the actual shot
which I do believe Shane intentionally played which is backed up by the actions of the
participants shown in the video including Darren Appleton. :grin:


https://www.youtube.com/user/genipool14
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Buddy I don't care if he intended to call the shot or not. Unless he marks it with a piece of chalk or some other token, then he hasn't designated the pocket. For all we know he was playing safe, which not to argue with his choice but is clearly the better shot because you can easily lock up Appleton 100% percent of the time. So he didn't call it though, and that's not fair to Darrin.
 
BeiberLvr said:
Buddy I don't care if he intended to call the shot or not. Unless he marks it with a piece of chalk or some other token, then he hasn't designated the pocket. For all we know he was playing safe, which not to argue with his choice but is clearly the better shot because you can easily lock up Appleton 100% percent of the time. So he didn't call it though, and that's not fair to Darrin.
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(I think you're being satirical, but the shot is intriguing nonetheless) I believe it was a two way shot. If he missed the bank, the 2 ball rebounds and has a good chance of sitting behind the 7 or 4 or rolling to the middle of the table, leaving no shot. Worst case, he leaves Darren a long shot. I don't believe Shane was trying to get behind the 8, since he started walking away immediately after he made the shot and didn't stay at the table and sweat the cue ball.
 
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midnightpulp said:
But a race to 100 eliminates variance much more effectively than a race to 8.

And are you serious when you say that these players aren't geared for long races? The majority of these guys have played long races gambling, playing 10 ahead (which can last days and take hundreds of games at times), races to 50, 100. Appleton gambled playing Blackball in Britain, and that game is slower than shit. The Filipinos are probably the best long race players in the world. Parica, Efren, Orcullo, etc all have legendary endurance. I'm sure the Taiwanese play long races gambling, as well.

Tournament pool as currently structured is a side show and has never been the gold standard. I don't care how many short races tournaments you tag with the title, "World Championship."

Did you just get into pool a couple of years ago? Serious question.
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excellent post. I'm afraid it falls on deaf ears to some of these clowns around here though. I really think that they don't understand the actual math and variance models which is astonishing given the fact that it's a relatively easily understood concept.
 
BeiberLvr said:
Buddy I don't care if he intended to call the shot or not. Unless he marks it with a piece of chalk or some other token, then he hasn't designated the pocket. For all we know he was playing safe, which not to argue with his choice but is clearly the better shot because you can easily lock up Appleton 100% percent of the time. So he didn't call it though, and that's not fair to Darrin.
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lol what? :eek:
 
midnightpulp said:
But a race to 100 eliminates variance much more effectively than a race to 8.

And are you serious when you say that these players aren't geared for long races? The majority of these guys have played long races gambling, playing 10 ahead (which can last days and take hundreds of games at times), races to 50, 100. Appleton gambled playing Blackball in Britain, and that game is slower than shit. The Filipinos are probably the best long race players in the world. Parica, Efren, Orcullo, etc all have legendary endurance. I'm sure the Taiwanese play long races gambling, as well.

Tournament pool as currently structured is a side show and has never been the gold standard. I don't care how many short races tournaments you tag with the title, "World Championship."

Did you just get into pool a couple of years ago? Serious question.
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They become a battle of stanima not one based solely on skill ,, the variances are long past equaled out at that point the fit of the fittest often is the deciding factor seen it many times ,, it's not a fluke that we lose the MC cup to the Eruo's , we don't lose because of the variances, we lose because they are better prepared for the Short races ,
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We lose the Mosconi Cup because it's multiple short races, which smooths out variance just as well as longer races.
 
one stroke said:
They become a battle of stanima not one based solely on skill ,, the variances are long past equaled out at that point the fit of the fittest often is the deciding factor seen it many times ,, it's not a fluke that we lose the MC cup to the Eruo's , we don't lose because of the variances, we lose because they are better prepared for the Short races ,
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We've had this discussion. Every sport on Earth requires stamina. If you don't have it, you don't become a professional, despite how "skilled" you are in a short period of time.

I also don't see how playing pool for 3 or 4 hours (two pros can finish a race to 20-30 in this time frame) requires this world class stamina you think we're demanding of the players.

We lose the Mosconi Cup because there's a big drop off from Shane to the next best US player. The Euros have better all around talent. Though I would like to see longer races. The Mosconi Cup will remain nothing more than an exhibition until it does so, and gets rid of doubles, which doesn't belong in pool, imo.
 
Right
Tennis will be race to 100 sets
Golf will be 100 rounds
Basketball will be race to 100 games
Soccer will be race to 100 matches

Now if only the important stuff also go that long
Like amount of time it takes to count your money is 100 hours or sex will last 100 hrs

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spartan said:
Right
Tennis will be race to 100 sets
Golf will be 100 rounds
Basketball will be race to 100 games
Soccer will be race to 100 matches

Now if only the important stuff also go that long
Like amount of time it takes to count your money is 100 hours or sex will last 100 hrs

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That is correct , when the greatness of pro's is measured its measured by the scale of the games they play ,, it won't say although Shane never won a world title he was the best race to a 100 playerv:rolleyes:
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one stroke said:
That is correct , when the greatness of pro's is measured its measured by the scale of the games they play ,, it won't say although Shane never won a world title he was the best race to a 100 playerv:rolleyes:
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That's right, at least as far as the rotation games are concerned.

Parica could spot all those "World Champs" the 8 in the 80's and 90's. They all dodged him. Buddy Hall the same. The only world champ who could hang with those long race monsters in 9 ball was Earl, maybe Archer, but I know CJ used to beat up on Archer gambling, so I don't know.

If you're a "world champ" and can't beat another player in a race to 100 (and you can play it over a week if you want, so your stamina excuse can't fly) then you're a paper champion.
 
midnightpulp said:
Ronnie did about as well in pool as Alex did in snooker. If there were a qualification process for the pro tour, then Ronnie probably doesn't make the cut.

And I always love the excuse making for Ronnie. "He didn't even practice! Just took it up for a piss."

Wrong. I was just watching the 2006 World Pool masters match between Ronnie and Wu Chia, and Jim Wych said Ronnie told him he's going to give 9 ball a serious go and enter all the major events. There's also interviews with Ronnie from that time period where he said the same thing. Yeah, what happened? Not much. Ronnie quickly went back to his comfort zone. ...
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O'Sullivan dabbled in pool from time to time -- European Pool Masters in 1995; Mosconi Cups in 1996 and 1997; World Pool Masters in 1997, 1998, and 2006; Open Weert 9-Ball in 2006; World Cup of Pool in 2006; and possibly other events -- with rather mixed results.

The match you posted was from the World Pool Masters in June of 2006. And you are correct that Ronnie said he was planning at that point to give pool a real go, but I think it was really only because of the IPT. He did play in the IPT's North American Open 8-Ball Championship the following month (July, 2006), winning 5 of his 13 matches (in games, he won 85 and lost 86). He missed the next IPT event, the World Open 8-Ball Championship in September of 2006, because of an ear infection. And then the IPT was over (except for some challenge matches that did not involve O'Sullivan), and Ronnie continued with his snooker career.
 
slide13 said:
I only got to watch the final today and wish it had lasted a little longer....but glad to see Shane win. Players shorts and the venue looked great, thst is what pro pool tournaments should be like!

Surprised to see Shane with a new butt instead of his heavily worn black one. Wonder what it is, didn't look like it had the steel joint of his old one.
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wrong forum? :thumbup:
 
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