SHARK Tactics

I opened the Sunday paper today and, low and behold, there's an ariticle in the Business section on cheating. It involves how students at Iowa State cheated on a test and what became of that. Here's an excerpt and the link:

http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060416/BUSINESS04/604160337/0/BUSINESS03

...One indignant student, who clearly had cheated, wrote: "I am not a cheater. In fact, I abhor cheaters just as much as drunk drivers and psychotic terrorists. If I were in the position to uncover a cheater, I would readily do so."

The indignant student's ability to distance himself from what he had done is a scary thing for real-world managers, said co-author Kaufmann.

Most managers will not have to deal with Enron-size ethics issues, but they will have to deal with a lot of little things, such as expense account padding and discrimination.

Little things have a cumulative effect, he said. Over time, they can cause people to distrust an organization or create unnecessary adversarial situations....


...Some strategies of the past no longer work, the authors said.

"In past, we've told students: 'If you cheat, you are only cheating yourself.'

"Apparently, a lot of people are willing to take that hit," Kaufmann said...


The part about hurting the organization is, I think, very important to the future of pool. How many people avoid the game of pool because of this perception? If each of us doesn't stop people (ourself?) from cheating at pool, who loses and who gains? I say we all lose in the long run.

The part about hurting yourself and how that doesn't work anymore to stop behavior amazes me. Why would this be? Has the self been worked over by the altruistic crowd for so long that it isn't considered important anymore? Wow.

Jeff Livingston
 
lol... yes there is that table on the version I have only it isnt labelled.

I do know what has happened... I guess I'm not elite enough because I havent read the printed version and therefore I should quit the argument... lol

Ok... so he didnt originate any of the info he just got it from other places... so what exactly is the freaking point other than making himself sound good?

I mean neocheating as such wonderful gems such as "e Expose the cheater during the game in front of everyone:: Cheater quits or is drummed out of the game."

Wow... really? exposing a cheater in front of everyone makes him quit???

you don't say....

I just think its funny how he takes these mundane things and acts like he's discovered something novel by making the most asinine comments about common sense.

It would be like me writing a book on "Neo-Pool", and create tables on how to get position and then use it for a metaphore for improving you life or something, only my info on pool would be wrong and the connections I make would be completly stupid...

it's just silly in my mind....
 
Never forget We always describe others as we see ourselves.

It's hard to be sharked if you know your game, and are honest with where it is. Lesser players win all the time by just being honest with themselves.

After you honestly assess your game just be firm and confident and of course get the adjustment (spot) you feel you need to make it a game. Keep ego out, let them get wraped up in ego. Their ego can many times be your edge so control yours.

One of the best gamblers I've ever watched was Min. Fats. He wasn't even close to the player he claimed to be, but he was a master at gambling, assessing his opponent, honestly asessed his own game, and adjusting the game to give him a good chance to win. Of course many times he simply raised the bet to a point the his opponent couldn't keep his mind off the money and got hussled that way.
 
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how can you intentionally shark someone?

set the alarm on your cell phone to go off during his shot.
not look at him shooting, look at another game
look directly at him shooting
wave your hands
light a smoke
move around the table
stand in his line of sight and twitch
bend over and tie your shoe laces up
get him stoned before
ask him where/how his girlfriend is
hide the chalk in your pocket or take it after your shot to chalk up
twirl your cue while he's shooting
shake his hand too hard
swear after each visit ends
rack his balls loose with the top ball off the pack
don't shake his hand but slap it
leave your smokes and lighter on the rail
and the last two
spit
and unzip and zip up your fly or do up the belt on your trousers and tuck in your shirt
 
MacGyver said:
lol... yes there is that table on the version I have only it isnt labelled.

I do know what has happened... I guess I'm not elite enough because I havent read the printed version and therefore I should quit the argument... lol

Ok... so he didnt originate any of the info he just got it from other places... so what exactly is the freaking point other than making himself sound good?

I mean neocheating as such wonderful gems such as "e Expose the cheater during the game in front of everyone:: Cheater quits or is drummed out of the game."

Wow... really? exposing a cheater in front of everyone makes him quit???

you don't say....

I just think its funny how he takes these mundane things and acts like he's discovered something novel by making the most asinine comments about common sense.

It would be like me writing a book on "Neo-Pool", and create tables on how to get position and then use it for a metaphore for improving you life or something, only my info on pool would be wrong and the connections I make would be completly stupid...

it's just silly in my mind....

lol...that's one of the titles I considered for my book.

Thanks for your informed opinions on the card stuff. I appreciate that. Even though I have been a amateur magician-wannbe since a child, I couldn't tell you if what Wallace said about cards is 100% accurate or not. I used some of it just to see if it worked and it did, but apparently there's better ways to manipulate cards. Still it made the point for me and I imagine others who know little about cheating and cards. So it's got that going for it. Plus, the n/c text was just Part 1 of a 5 Part series and it was used to be a foundation for those last four Parts. In that context you might view it differently, as I do.

I have the original hardback version and over the years I ordered several paperback versions for friends and the card stuff is gone from those. Not sure why. Now they don't even sell it...not sure why. And the web site is mostly the card stuff and not the other. hmmmm. Neo-Tech has very interesting marketing concepts.

The "what is happening here" comment sounded a little self-righteous/judgmental after I reread it...sorry for that, it wasn't intended that way. Writing vs. saying sometime can confuse meaning. What I meant was that the concept of cheating and sharking was being explored and exposed through our discussions about it, and players new to the ways of cheating were growing in their power to not be hurt so much by it. I posted this line becuase of what I've been thinking about for the last few years about privacy being dead and gone.

If neocheating requires invisibility, then it, too, is in trouble as more and more actions done by each of us becomes cheaply visible to everyone else, if they want to see. Technology is catching criminals and releasing innocents. As long as crime is defined objectively, this is a good thing, imho. But, the cheating done by govts, for example, now uses new subjective definitions of crimes, disguised as objective crimes, so as to legitimate the incarceration of politcal enemies and non-desirables and to transfer money and power to those in charge. But even these methods are losing their effectiveness. :D :D :D

Back to sharking...with these types of discussions on the web, more players are able to protect themselves than ever before. No matter what you label it, this is a good thing, too, imho.

Later, keep in touch Mac, I can use the help,

Jeff Livingston
 
That was funny Linda. You observe the sharkers as well as I do. I have always found it amazing that others cannot see that most sharking is intentional and that it does affect everyone even if they deny it. All you have to do is watch.

The worst I was ever sharked was when a friend who I have played pool with for over 15 years (and who never sharks), hired a lingerie girl to distract me while I was shooting. I couldn't make a ball. Guys can be so easy to distract. :-)
Warm Regards,
JoeyA

rackmsuckr said:
Sharking is not limited to males. There is one notorious female sharker in my area - she has won numerous national titles. One time at BCA in Atlantic City, I had just come off a tough win against Renee' (don't remember her last name, from the east coast), and had to go play this other gal. She had been watching me play well, and as I came over to the table where she was waiting, she said, "Are you ready?"

I replied that I would like to hit a ball, and she said I had been shooting so I should be warmed up. I embarrassed her when I took one ball and shot it 3 rails to determine how the table ran (long, new cloth).

Her favorite trick is that because she lives near me, she knows my rhythm and knows my timing to get me out of stroke. So, at the last stroke when I am pulling back on a key ball, she jerks her head suddenly and looks the other way. Or she turns her head and then suddenly as you are letting go, she turns back to watch. She has gotten me so many times with that move, it's ridiculous.

She is a big girl and she took to standing in FRONT of the long tables at BCA Regionals and Nationals, with a couple feet between her and the edge of the pool table, right in the middle. Most people stand between the long tables or behind them, as a courtesy, or they are sitting down in the chair on the other side of the long tables. Not her, she stood in front, like a behemoth.

Onto her tricks, I asked her to stand back this time, so she backed barely to the opening of the curtained railing. She kept moving her head back and forth, looking here and there. I exaggerated staying down on the ball, long enough for her to do it 3-4 times. Finally, in front of everyone, I stood up and asked her if she was done moving her head in front of me, thereby shaming her in front of the crowd. From then on, she has been pretty good.

Her best one though, has been to always have a boyfriend sweating her matches which she will then sit on his lap, kiss, move around, talking and laughing, all while her opponent is trying to shoot. She just has no class in this regard.

Another blatant one is an Asian girl who was in the finals of BCA Nationals last year, talking to all her friends. She totally had her back to me while I played her and her friends noticed that I was standing up, looking at her and they all fell silent, except her. Finally, she turned around and behaved on that shot, but went right back to doing it. I got so ticked off and didn't say anything and she got to me...I have to admit it.

She made it all the way to the finals. I saw her doing it in every match. Some didn't even realize what was throwing them off (she chose to get louder the more important the shot was) or they, like me, were too nice to say anything.

She played a friend of mine in the Finals and her mother had just died, and no one was there to root her on, so I stayed for the whole thing. This Asian girl was just relentless. My friend started out strong and there went the Asian, talking loudly and rudely, wandering around (there was more room in the finals area) and if you can believe it, receiving back rubs from her boyfriend! Her head would bob up and down while he was reaching over the long table to reach her!

I was incensed and from being up in the match, my friend started losing and did lose the first set. I talked to her on the break and told her she HAD to tell this girl to shut up and sit in her chair during the next set. My friend agreed that it had thrown her off and that it had really bothered her, but the extent of it was so unbelievable that she just didn't think this girl really knew what she was doing. I told her yes she does and it is her greatest weapon, how do you think she got there???

Well, my friend politely asked her to please be quiet and stay in her chair during the match and with the crowd now on to her, my friend won easily.

I was so happy for my friend. There are several people like myself that absolutely freeze when someone is shooting and will do anything NOT to cheat, and she is one of them.

One last good shark to mention - I knew a gal that rolled her own cigarettes while I was playing her in a quiet tournament. The noise from her baggie and the papers, the motions of rolling, the flame of lighting it and the bright orange glow and flare of the light in the dim room wherever she waved it or sucked on it, and the plume of smoke that wafted above her head were all distracting. Smoking at the table is an advantage that nonsmokers don't have, as we have no excuse to go waving our arms around while someone is shooting...they shouldn't do it anyway while their opponent is down on their shot, IMHO.

OK, my rant is up! :(
 
Shark? Go fishing.

I don't mean to offend, but I may be about to ...

How many of you that are "susceptible" to sharking have spent much time in a bar playing pool? What's worse, being looked in the eye when lining up for a shot or trying to maneuver around a packed room of drunks, half-dressed girls and loud music and people? One of the people that helped me out when I was starting was probably worse than any intentional shark could be. He'd question most aspects of my game while I was shooting, he'd talk loudly and do just about anything else whether intentional or not. I later came to greatly appreciate that as a lesson. Now I can play a game and wouldn't notice half of the bar calling out my name, I can banter back and forth with friends or opponents while I am shooting and the only thing that will really get my game off track (besides the typical ups-and-downs of my game) is not acknowledging the fact that I can win.

Don't let "sharking" confuse you with anything less than fear. I "shark" my friends when just messing around, but eventually they'll get over allowing anyone else to sidetrack them. If somebody tries sharking me, the only reason I think of is to try to beat me, which they wouldn't have to resort to if they thought they were already assured a win.

See a shark? Go fishing.
 
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