Shooting Before You Are Ready

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Can any of you instructors out there recommend something that will help me quit shooting before I am ready. I had a buddy come over the other day and I did this three times in about an hour. I did make one of them but missed the other two.

Having said that, my back is still stiff and sore so maybe that has something to do with it. But I think this is a problem of mine and might be a reason why I miss some shots that I feel I should make. And with my pockets being made tighter next week it could get worse.

r/DCP
 
Write down the final thought you'd like to have before pulling the trigger like, "I've paused following my last practice stroke. Aim is ready. Look with quiet eyes on the target for two seconds."
 
Hi Mike,

I'm sort of having the occasional rare same issue since I have that ruptured disc in my back & have put on some weight & have turned 62.

For me it's for the shots where I am contorted &/or stretched out to reach some shots on 9' tables.

But that's not really the same issue.

But I have an idea that you may see as a bit drastic & may not actually like.

Don't take any 'practice' or 'warm up' strokes.

Get set & put the tip 'on' the part of the cue ball that you will be hitting while making sure that the cue is on the line you want & then when you have it like you want, simply exhale & pause your breath & then make the stroke.

That was not my method for 45 or so years, but I came to adopt it when trying CJ Wiley's version of TOI.

Anyway, It's just something that you may want to give try. Personally I never liked the talking to myself with any catch phrases.

Good Luck with finding YOUR solution.
Rick

PS I'm not any kind of pool instructor. I had had that in my sig line but I had to make room for some other things.
 
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routines, routines, and routines. Don't confuse your brain by not shooting the same way every time.
Steve
 
routines, routines, and routines. Don't confuse your brain by not shooting the same way every time.
Steve
Let me expand on this. I'll bet (unfairly and without seeing him) that DCP has a pre-shot routine that is somewhere between sporadic and non-existent. It is traditional among pool players to have an idiosyncratic and mostly useless PSR if they have any PSR at all.

Further, I think that for the most part any advice given for the stated symptom is probably off-base. I think we have to see DCP to diagnose the problem and suggest a fix. But I'll still bet as above.
 
Mike,

It seems that if you want any 'official' advice, it looks like you had better post a video of yourself playing where your issue pops up.

That way you CAN get a more 'informed' analysis.

Seeing is always better than any verbal description, but since you did not provide a video...
I just gave you a part of what I do in case you wanted to give it try.

That probably is the most consistent part of my 'steps' prior to pulling the trigger & I do not even think about the breathing thing but I know that I do it because it was on mind one time after someone asked me about it.

I'm just not that regimented other than selecting a shot, seeing the line, deciding where I, the cue ball, want to go & then getting into position to shoot & then doing what I said earlier before pulling the trigger.

I may do something else that is consistent, but if so, it's on auto pilot & I could not consciously tell you what it is.

I am much more of a feel player than a programmed robot. I've never really noticed whether or not Efren has any PSR or not.

I've seen what some call "pre shot routines" that have a list that goes into double digits.

What ever works for an individual is what they should do, IMHO.

You're having an issue & what I passed on to you may not be enough or even a help at all. It was just something to try that I thought might help.

If you're one that strokes pre shot & never knows when you're going to pull the trigger then it might help. I use to stroke prior to pulling the trigger with no programmed set number or anything, but I always knew when I was going to pull the trigger & I never went early or stayed too long & still shot. That may be the only reason that I get up from a shot which is if I stay on it too long. To me that is a sign from my subconscious that something is not right. So that is about the only reason that I ever get up & start over.

If I had a set number of pre shot strokes, I think I might shoot some shots before I was really ready because I would just be following the program like a robot. That's just not for me.

I'll see if I can find the quote of Fran Crimi that someone posted in one of the other threads.

But like someone posted today when complimenting Greyghost, "It's not always black or white... sometimes it's GREY.

As I said before Good Luck with finding YOUR solution.

Best 2 Ya,
Rick

PS I hope YOU don't mind me posting & doing a bit of a rant.
 
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"simple" fix

with a consistent PSR and delivery...close your eyes at the set position. visualize....deliver the shot....

without a consistent PSR and delivery you cant really do this. But if you can this is a extremely effective habit breaker of lots of bad things and instills a major trust in stroke....mentally an top not practice routine with the proper foundation there to be able to accomplish such a routine/addition to routine.

-Greyghost
 
I played a couple of hours today. After making my poor aching back worse by having to go pick up trash in my neighbor's yard in cold, wet, windy, rainy conditions. It was my fault as a couple of trash bags fell off my truck yesterday and ended up in his yard. I was heading to the dumpster/landfill, and, well, you know the rest of the story.

So I started to mentally tell myself "READY!" before I shot every shot today. Seemed to help some as I ran out more than I hosed up. My goal is to get to 50% and today I was better at 6 and 5. 6 runouts, 5 hosed up out of the 11 where I felt I had a good chance to runout.

r/DCP
 
Adding a front pause can help immensely. By pausing slightly at the CB, it allows you to double check your aim, and that can also be your trigger to know you're ready to shoot.

The key is to trust your judgement, and to have the discipline to get up when it doesn't feel right.
 
It's only robotic if you have to think about it, and you shouldn't have to if you've practiced it enough. Even your hero, CJ Wiley, has a consistent warm up stroke.

From 2006 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdRNeETSAaE

From 2013 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMB-Q-KbwX0

CJ Wiley is certainly NOT my "hero".

If I have any "hero", He is no longer living on the planet, but should return soon, or at least I hope it will be soon, but thanks for posting the CJ links.

A robot does not think AT ALL about what it does, it just does as it is programmed to do, even more so than a slave.

Your post about the slight pause is fine, but you missed the point that I was making about having a set number of pre shot strokes.

IF, they are done after one is actually set & committed then that is just a build up to launch.

IF, they are done DURING the process of getting committed then one would possibly launch on the programmed number regardless of whether it's correct or not.

There are quite a few golfers, even pros, that putt very mechanically by using a very regimented process. They generally go to that method because they were/are not very good putters. They did not have any very good feel & by going to the mechanical approach they will never garner any real feel. It is a rather sad thing to see them go through their very long regimented mechanical process just to miss what should have been a simple tap in. Yes, almost everyone has missed a tap in for some reason but it is more 'painful' to see it for the long regimented pre putt process individuals because they have gone to that process to supposedly to eliminate such & in fact, I think, it can almost be the cause of the miss in some cases.

I used to have in my sig line that each individual should make their own determinations & hence be responsible for their own game. (I should probably put that back in.)

Rather many give too much credence to what an authoritative figure says & they do not really give much of their own thought to matters put forth by such figures.

We are individuals & hence different... & one approach to matters is not, & does not fit everyone well.

Each individual should find what suits them best & it is not always that black or white uniform but instead is that grey suit or even a purple one or a bright red one... or maybe a bright multi colored poke-a-dot tie with that blue suit.

In my opinion too much 'instruction' is given in an extremely definitive manner as though it has been delivered from Mount Sanai... without any caveats attached when they are really just suggestions & may not be a fit for THAT individual.

That, I think, comes from some rather inflated egos that then turn into arrogance. There is a huge difference between confidence & arrogance.

Then there is that thing about caring about others & a Doctors Hippocratic Oath 'to do no harm'. Rather many are more concerned with themselves, reputation, etc. rather than what damage they might do by constantly putting out cookie cutter remedies like a robot that has been programmed.

Our methods of attempted communication are not the best & much can be & is mis-communicated because of what amounts to a lack of concern regarding possible mis-communications.

I will repeat again what the acclaimed golf instructor Butch Harmon has said about himself. "I may not know how to build a Championship Golf Swing, but... if I am not very careful I am sure that I can ruin one.". A bit of humility.

We are all individuals & unique in many ways & especially of the mind.

I am now up to 3 posts in this thread, because of you, Jon.

Best Wishes to ALL.

The above is just some food for thought & is NOT directed toward any specific individual.
 
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You need a 'go' word. Especially when you have this issue. You need a tempo when down at the table that is consistent... A speed of play. But most importantly you need to not pull the trigger if you have any doubts about the shot... It really isn't that hard.

People don't like to get up and get back down, I get that. But getting up and getting back down allows for you to reevaluate the situation and get back down with an increased confidence. That is how you stop yourself shooting too soon... Have confidence in the outcome. Every shot I take on I'm 100% sure it's going where I want. I'm never going to have a 100%potting percentage but I have the confidence to think I should.

Some people confuse pulling the trigger too early with fidgeting. People will fidget and hit a horrible shot... Their excuses tend to be I want don't setting up my stance and such, so I missed and shot too early.... No, you fidgeted. That's why people miss. Practise keeping as still as humanly possible when cueing.

Pots should not be missed because you shot too early though. I can shoot as soon as my bridge hits the table and the balls go in. My cue is on line and everyone else's is once they are down. You don't need 4 or 5 warm up strokes to get the cue on line. Unless you are pivoting or some other funky business you shouldn't be missing pots because of shooting early. Body movement is the only culprit for missing because you pulled the trigger before your body was ready.
 
Shooting before you are ready is a psychological issue. How did your friend come to the conclusion that you shot before you were ready? You should ask him this question. Ask him what you did that gave him that impression. That will be very valuable information in helping you figure out the issue.

If you like ... go ask him and post his answer here.
 
Shooting before you are ready is a psychological issue. How did your friend come to the conclusion that you shot before you were ready? You should ask him this question. Ask him what you did that gave him that impression. That will be very valuable information in helping you figure out the issue.

If you like ... go ask him and post his answer here.

Fran,
It wasn't my friend that noticed I shot before I was ready a few times. It was me that noticed it.

r/DCP
 
Okay, I thought it was your buddy who came over who noticed it. So, what did you do that made you think you shot too soon?

I could tell. It was obvious to me. One of those dumba$$ moments where you ask yourself afterwards "What Was I Thinking???"

r/Mike
 
No easy shots

Can any of you instructors out there recommend something that will help me quit shooting before I am ready. I had a buddy come over the other day and I did this three times in about an hour. I did make one of them but missed the other two.

Having said that, my back is still stiff and sore so maybe that has something to do with it. But I think this is a problem of mine and might be a reason why I miss some shots that I feel I should make. And with my pockets being made tighter next week it could get worse.

r/DCP

Scott Lee has a saying "there are no easy shots" and this is exactly what he is talking about. If we take a shot for granted, any shot can be missed. Scott worked with me to religiously develop a pre-shot routine I follow for even the simplest shots. I wish I could say I am 100% but I too will occasionally take a shortcut, much to my chagrin. I think we have all looked up in dismay to see the object ball still on the table while we are looking to see if we got that perfect shape we were looking for.

As many posted here the solution truly is consistency in your preshot routine. Adding the pause may help as well if, again, you always do it. Anything that is a sometimes thing will fail you. Pilots follow a specific pre flight and landing checklist for things they have done thousands of times and their lives depend on it. There is a saying that there are two kinds of pilots who fly retractable gear planes, those who have landed without the wheels down and those who will. :smile:
 
I could tell. It was obvious to me. One of those dumba$$ moments where you ask yourself afterwards "What Was I Thinking???"

r/Mike

Often times the answer lies in the smallest of details. That's why I asked for details. When you ask a question in general terms, like ---- How do I stop myself from shooting too soon --- you will get only generalized answers. It's a crap shoot as to whether or not any of them will help.

To truly get at the root of an issue, you need details.
 
There are multiple things it could be, but with out a video of your mishaps then it's s guessing game add to how to fix it.
 
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