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Prince H

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Well, it's about time I ask for help from the instructors on this one... I have a terrible time shooting straight when i'm jacked up. The rate at which I miss these shots is infuriating and I need some help. What are the best ways to approach a shot where an elevated cue is required? Should I start by shooting the same shot multiple times, starting from perfectly level and slowly elevating the cue until the problem is introduced and then try to diagnose and eliminate it?

I also feel like I miss the shot to the left of the pocket, regardless of the shot type or angle (this is only conjecture though, no actual data to back it up). If this is true then maybe it's a physical problem that can be taken care of with a small tweak in stance, shoulder/elbow positioning, or some such solution.

To the instructors who use video recording, have you been able to notice how straight the stroke is when jacked up vs stroking straight? Is missing to the left a common occurrence for right handed shooters? PLEASE HELP!!!:confused:
 
Prince H said:
Well, it's about time I ask for help from the instructors on this one... I have a terrible time shooting straight when i'm jacked up. The rate at which I miss these shots is infuriating and I need some help. What are the best ways to approach a shot where an elevated cue is required? Should I start by shooting the same shot multiple times, starting from perfectly level and slowly elevating the cue until the problem is introduced and then try to diagnose and eliminate it?

I also feel like I miss the shot to the left of the pocket, regardless of the shot type or angle (this is only conjecture though, no actual data to back it up). If this is true then maybe it's a physical problem that can be taken care of with a small tweak in stance, shoulder/elbow positioning, or some such solution.

To the instructors who use video recording, have you been able to notice how straight the stroke is when jacked up vs stroking straight? Is missing to the left a common occurrence for right handed shooters? PLEASE HELP!!!:confused:
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Make sure your elbow is over the cue. Just pull back a few inches, and just follow through a few inches. Hold the cue loosely. Make sure your vision center is centered.

I was missing a lot to the left until I made darn sure my elbow was over the cue where it is supposed to be.
 
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Prince H said:
Well, it's about time I ask for help from the instructors on this one... I have a terrible time shooting straight when i'm jacked up. The rate at which I miss these shots is infuriating and I need some help. What are the best ways to approach a shot where an elevated cue is required? Should I start by shooting the same shot multiple times, starting from perfectly level and slowly elevating the cue until the problem is introduced and then try to diagnose and eliminate it?

I also feel like I miss the shot to the left of the pocket, regardless of the shot type or angle (this is only conjecture though, no actual data to back it up). If this is true then maybe it's a physical problem that can be taken care of with a small tweak in stance, shoulder/elbow positioning, or some such solution.

To the instructors who use video recording, have you been able to notice how straight the stroke is when jacked up vs stroking straight? Is missing to the left a common occurrence for right handed shooters? PLEASE HELP!!!:confused:
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It's a challenge for anyone to assess a player's game without actually seeing them in action. This is one reason why lessons are better than books, videos or asking questions on the Net.

Have you ever considered working with an instructor in person?
 
Neil said:
Make sure your elbow is over the cue. Just pull back a few inches, and just follow through a few inches. Hold the cue loosely. Make sure your vision center is centered.

I was missing a lot to the left until I made darn sure my elbow was over the cue where it is supposed to be.
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My experience too.

Also, it's harder to get your head fully over the cue, so your shot pic is skewed unless you fix that.

And hitting dead center is critical (otherwise the CB swerves) - try looking at the CB last.

pj
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Work on how you raise the butt. Most people start flat then raise it and their alignment suffers. Focus on raising the elbow instead of the butt and it should keep alignment decent. And remember, hit the ball about half as hard as you think you need to hit it..
 
Pidge said:
Work on how you raise the butt. Most people start flat then raise it and their alignment suffers. Focus on raising the elbow instead of the butt and it should keep alignment decent...
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This makes sense, I will try and focus on how it is being raised

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And remember, hit the ball about half as hard as you think you need to hit it..
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This, however, is going to need some 'splainin. This makes sense if you are talking about hitting a jacked up stop shot, or a shot that isn't inherently speed sensitive; i.e one where position isn't an issue. But for shots where position is touchy this doesn't seem like it should apply.
 
When jacked up the vast majority of the time you should just focus on the pot, and not worry about the position. Especially when you need to raise the cue considerably. Of you need to hit the ball hard your accuracy becomes much lower and should always weigh up your odds of making it vs playing safe. Many times people lose a rack because they jack up, try moving the cue ball too much and miss the pot when they could've just rolled it in and had a shot... A more difficult shot than you want... But a shot none the less on the next ball.

Not only this but the harder the white is hit when jacked up the more the white will bounce making it unpredictable not only for position but for the potting angle also. The bouncing cue ball makes it travel further in my experience once its hit the object ball, so if you need to hit the shot with a 5 speed stroke on a normal shot... On a jacked up shot I would shoot it at maybe 3 speed and the cue ball will travel just as far after contact. Its very short dependant so if you do need to give the shot some umph, then that's what's needed. If you can't get away with hitting it softly because you will be snooker Ed then you don't have a choice. But often you do have several choices. Make sure of the pot first, then think about position. Don't sacrifice carrying on your run to try get too perfect on the next shot.
 
Prince H...If you're going to come on here asking for advice, don't be so quick to dismiss a suggestion from someone who knows A LOT about moving the cuestick accurately.

Shooting with the cue elevated is the most difficult shot there is...even moreso than being frozen to the cushion. The most important consideration is finishing your swing, rather than poking the CB (your tip should always finish on the cloth with an elevated cue). That's part of what Pidge was saying. The other part is that EVERYBODY hits the ball too hard...everybody! Try these suggestions before flatly deciding they "don't make sense". :rolleyes: :D

Scott Lee
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Prince H said:
This, however, is going to need some 'splainin. This makes sense if you are talking about hitting a jacked up stop shot, or a shot that isn't inherently speed sensitive; i.e one where position isn't an issue. But for shots where position is touchy this doesn't seem like it should apply.
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Prince H said:
Can you elaborate on this? Too hard compared to what? Too hard compared to how hard it's needed to get shape? Too hard compared to how hard it's needed to accurately pocket the ball? Just looking for some elaboration.
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I find I have the opposite tendency. When you are jacked up, some of the energy goes into the table rather than into the cue ball so for a given stick speed the cue ball has less forward speed. You need to increase the stick speed a little for jacked up shots to get the same amount of cue ball speed as compared to flat shots.

In any case, it helps to play specific position when you are practicing (and playing) jacked up. I think you do want to play the simplest position possible, though.
 
Prince H, before you try to solve your problem you have to identify the problem.

If you're missing shots to the left of the pocket, then the problem is either with your alignment or with your stroke, or both. So, begin with the process of elimination by checking each element.

Start with your stroke. Make sure you don't twist the cue. Check the position of the knuckles of your grip hand on the cue before and after (you have to freeze your stroke in the follow through position and turn around and look at your hand). If your knuckles have rotated, you twisted the cue. That's a common error in jacked up shots.

Next: Try not to drop your elbow when you shoot jacked up. Keep it as still as possible to avoid any unintentional side arm movement.

Next: If your stroke is straight, then it must be your alignment.
 
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