Short Draw Shots

DrCue'sProtege

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i had these two balls left on the table last night. all i had to do was draw the cue ball back a little bit, hopefully to back around Point A. however, i choked the shot and ended up at Point B.

anybody have any tips on how to execute a short draw shot like this? following up wouldnt have left me much of an angle on the '9' so i elected to draw back, and blew it.

DCP

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Seems like a pretty easy out to me...LOLz...how hard did you hit it? I would have used an extreme low english...I sometimes rub the cloth and slow stroke it back to get the nine....
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Practice, practice,practice

Sounds like you need to set up the shot and practice it until you can't forget how to make it. I used to have that happen all the time, until I engraved it in my brain, so I couldn't forget.
 
Even just drawing the cb to b you still had a very easy shot on the 9. May be you should spent alot of time doing drills instead of playing. The game of pool will not always be picture perfect position after every shot you make. Thats why this game requires good shot making and good decision making skills. I would spent alot of time doing some draw type drills. Some things the only way to learn them is to practise them over and over. Just my 2 cents
 
Choked? BS. Any of the amateurs I know or the pros I watch would have been more than happy with that position on the 9. Get over the idea that you have to leave yourself absolutely perfect after every shot. The only real risk on this shot was over-powering it and ending up on the rail. Drawing it back 1 inch, or 2 feet, or anywhere in between is just perfect. Your shot was somewhere in between. Make a mental note for next time, then put it out of your mind completely and sink the easy 9 for the game.

If you were in a different situation (traffic to navigate, other circumstances) and you actually NEEDED to be at point A and not B, for these shots I usually concentrate more on a smooth gentle acceleration and long follow through rather than thinking about speed. On a short shot like this, about a foot of draw is very easy for me if I just stroke smoothly and follow through and don't hit it too hard.

-Andrew
 
I didn't have the software installed to view your diagram, so bear with me if I have misinterpreted your question.

If the matter is controlled short draw, it is far better to hit the cueball closer to the center with a firmer stroke instead of hitting it very low with a soft stroke. Stun draw is much more reliable for short distance control, especially under pressure.
 

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You didnt have to be at A. You could have been at any of these for that 9-ball. The mistake with this shot is that you tried to hold the cue ball to A instead of allowing to overdraw it. Seems like you in in the fram of mind saying "draw it to A and no further" when you should have been thinking "I could draw this past A and still be OK".
 
This is one of those shots where you have to ask yourself if you're better off overdoing it or underdoing it. You can overdo the draw quite a bit and still have a decent shot, so I would put the emphasis on not underdoing it. :D
 
use 1/2 tip draw and hit it harder

DrCue'sProtege said:
i had these two balls left on the table last night. all i had to do was draw the cue ball back a little bit, hopefully to back around Point A. however, i choked the shot and ended up at Point B.

anybody have any tips on how to execute a short draw shot like this? following up wouldnt have left me much of an angle on the '9' so i elected to draw back, and blew it.

DCP

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This should be almost automatic DCP. There are two ways to control the amount of backspin put on the cueball, how low you hit and how hard you hit. For small draw I will mostly use my standard shot weight with as much 'low' as needed for the draw ... perhaps 1/2 tip for a couple of inches, 3/4 tip for 3-4 inches, etc. This can be mastered by practice, and only by practice. Here is a funny little exercise that I made up. Set up a short, straight-in shot (like the 8 ball in your diagram). Hit it very very hard with a dead-center hit on the cuball. That should be a stop shot (note if the cb is spinning, it shouldn't be, and if it is you are hitting off the vertical axis). Do the same very very hard hit with a teeny-weeny bit of bottom (hit about 1/4 tip below center). That should be a small draw, say 3" or so. Play with this very very hard stroke for a while to become familiar with how much draw/follow you get with what tip offset. Now repeat the exersize hitting very hard (as opposed to very very hard). Note that it will take a bit more tip offset to get the same 3" draw. Repeat again with a hard stroke, a medium-hard stroke, a medium stroke, a medium-light .... etc etc. This will demonstrate the many strokes that can be used to get 9" of draw, it is a whole range of shots from "hard-with-minimal-bottom" to "soft-with-serious-bottom". Which one is most comfortable to shoot will be up to you. Again, for myself I try to shoot them with my natural speed (which for me is a bit stronger than a lag-for-break stroke), but you gotta know how much tip-offset to use for specific draw distances, hence the practice. This is such a fundamental skill (being able to draw-back or follow-on a SPECIFIC distance) that it should be practiced a lot.

Dave
 
Dr.CP,

Follow through, hit the cue ball low at 6:00, and keep your cue level, and keep your tip well groomed and chalked.

Hope this helps.
 
tedkaufman said:
I didn't have the software installed to view your diagram, so bear with me if I have misinterpreted your question.

If the matter is controlled short draw, it is far better to hit the cueball closer to the center with a firmer stroke instead of hitting it very low with a soft stroke. Stun draw is much more reliable for short distance control, especially under pressure.

Shooting certain shots in the side with a harder than necessary can cause the OB to rattle....I prefer to use as light a speed as I can get away with...I forgot to mention that your position at 'b' is not bad either as it's on the 9 and all you got to do is float it to the pocket...
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I think the most common flaw is to not follow through on a shot like this. You see the run out and your body gets tense, so you end up poking the ball instead of stroking through. Set the shot up and shoot it over and over while emphasizing your follow through.
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
i had these two balls left on the table last night. all i had to do was draw the cue ball back a little bit, hopefully to back around Point A. however, i choked the shot and ended up at Point B.

anybody have any tips on how to execute a short draw shot like this? following up wouldnt have left me much of an angle on the '9' so i elected to draw back, and blew it.

DCP

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DrCue'sProtege said:
anybody have any tips on how to execute a short draw shot like this? following up wouldnt have left me much of an angle on the '9' so i elected to draw back, and blew it.
You need a reference point. In this case you need to practice hitting a straight in shot and drawing the cue ball back to stop right at where it started. Learn to do this for cue ball to object ball distances of 6" to 2 feet (the range over which I think it's pretty easy to do).

Once you have your benchmark, then if you want to draw back half as far, you say to yourself "Self, take the shot I've practiced and aim a bit higher on the cue ball and ease up on the speed a hair." Or in a shot like the one you drew up, you want to get back to where you started, or perhaps just a bit farther. So you just hit it exactly like you practiced it, but perhaps with a small amount of extra speed.

Cory
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
i had these two balls left on the table last night. all i had to do was draw the cue ball back a little bit, hopefully to back around Point A. however, i choked the shot and ended up at Point B.

anybody have any tips on how to execute a short draw shot like this? following up wouldnt have left me much of an angle on the '9' so i elected to draw back, and blew it.

Whatever your stun stroke is, use the same stroke but drop your contact by one tip.

I don't want to disparage Tom Rossman, but maybe you should see an instructor that will show you a speed control system.

Fred
 
crap. i can ignore his posts, but the DCP threads will not go away.

quit clogging the forum with your whining. spend the time practicing, maybe you'll figure it out yourself.

-s
 
steev said:
crap. i can ignore his posts, but the DCP threads will not go away.

quit clogging the forum with your whining. spend the time practicing, maybe you'll figure it out yourself.

-s

Whoa, take it easy on the guy; he's learning here. We all have to start somewhere. Everyone was once the low man on the totem pole, ground floor, wet behind the ears.
 
Gregg said:
Whoa, take it easy on the guy; he's learning here. We all have to start somewhere. Everyone was once the low man on the totem pole, ground floor, wet behind the ears.
And I think the discussions DCP's threads starts are often interesting.
 
Cory in DC said:
And I think the discussions DCP's threads starts are often interesting.

I agree...I don't find them annoying at all - actually I think this board would be better if there was more stuff like that. Personally I find this stuff much more interesting than cue talk.
 
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