Shot Clock All PPV Games= more viewers

Johnnyt

Johnnyt

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I know this has been brought up many times. Promoters (most) say it cost too much. Some players say it makes them hurry too much and hurts their game. The number one reason people that like pool but won't watch it is the slow play and not very exiting.

Small battery digital count down clocks with numbers you can see from 30-50 foot away are very cheap now and can be put on a table, rail, just about anywhere. Let the players work them just as they start to walk to the table to start there inning. The player that's sitting can reset it after each shot. The steam can have a camera on it or however they do it so it's always in a corner of the stream. This will add more exietment to the game w/o changing the game to something that isn't pool anymore.

They could have a place on the clocks for adds. Many businesses will want their logo / name on a clock that is on screen all through the match...so the clocks will make money in the long run... not cost money.

Almost all sports that have large viewership have count down clocks. Baseball doesn't and it gets a smaller fan turnout each year because a lot of people say its boring because it's too slow. The players won't like the extra work, but things get added to every ones job all the time. Johnnyt
 
Slow play is annoying. In One-pocket a shot clock isn't needed.
Worse than slow play and the lint pickers, in the air shaft strokers and the guys that get down on the shot and get right back up a few times, is the pop-up ads that block the screen. I don't bother ordering PPV for that reason. Let the 15 year olds in the chat room buy it. Lastly, my complaint wouldn't be thorough without mentioning commentators in the booth that don't know anything about pool. "Oh the bloody bloke has snookered himself, hasn't he."....and we know why players mute the sound.
 
Buckzapper said:
Slow play is annoying. In One-pocket a shot clock isn't needed.
Worse than slow play and the lint pickers, in the air shaft strokers and the guys that get down on the shot and get right back up a few times, is the pop-up ads that block the screen. I don't bother ordering PPV for that reason. Let the 15 year olds in the chat room buy it. Lastly, my complaint wouldn't be thorough without mentioning commentators in the booth that don't know anything about pool. "Oh the bloody bloke has snookered himself, hasn't he."....and we know why players mute the sound.
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A shot clock is needed in ALL games IMO. Johnnyt
 
We tried a shot clock where I play One Pocket. It was set at an hour and fifteen minutes per shot.
I don't know how well it worked. I kept dozing off. :)
 
Tramp Steamer said:
We tried a shot clock where I play One Pocket. It was set at an hour and fifteen minutes per shot.
I don't know how well it worked. I kept dozing off. :)
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LOL. Other sports have added things to their game over the years that the players said would hurt their game and those sports and the players are doing just fine. I'm sure 1 hole would need a few more seconds more than 9 or 10 ball.

The first 1 hole match ups that I watched until end were at the DCC. They were playing for $1000's a set and were at best B players. I know there were and are some top players that play the game very slow, but to me a big percentage of the 1 hole players that play slow are not that good at the other games and don't shoot at their pocket unless they are 2' away and have natural position on the next ball. Today the young guns shoot fast and take the hard shots to get the run outs. I really enjoy watching players like Shane, Frost, Shaw, Busti, and any others that play that fast style. Johnnyt
 
TAR, get those adds/sponsors that will jump at the chance to have their logo and brand on screen just about 100% of the time. Johnnyt
 
A shot clock in one hole is a terrible idea.
A shot clock in 8, 9, & 10 ball is a good idea.

I think the promoters should decide what they want to do, after all THEY are the ones putting the event on.
 
DAVE_M said:
A shot clock in one hole is a terrible idea.
A shot clock in 8, 9, & 10 ball is a good idea.

I think the promoters should decide what they want to do, after all THEY are the ones putting the event on.
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Yes they are and if no one watches it so be it. Johnnyt
 
Ask the players if they want a shot clock, more than most will say no.

You saying they are good is your opinion, me saying they are bad is my opinion, and asking the players what they want will get their opinion. Threads like these are pointless.
 
DAVE_M said:
Ask the players if they want a shot clock, more than most will say no.

You saying they are good is your opinion, me saying they are bad is my opinion, and asking the players what they want will get their opinion. Threads like these are pointless.
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You are right we all get to voice an opinion. You, me, the players, the promoters, and the fans that pay to watch it. Long sets because of very slow play can cost the promoter at the very least more in hourly wages. In some cases the tournament can run over so much that he/she will have to pay another day on the venue. The fans that pay to see it in person or on PPV spend more time to see the end of it, losing sleep, bored out of their skulls, tired on the job the next day. Johnnyt
 
Both TAR andAccu-Stats have the shot clock already - and they have the sponsors ads up. The last time I saw a BigTruck stream, he was running commercials and had sponsor graphics.

To the guy who complained about ads ... there aren't any ads for the TAR or Accu-Stats PPVs. I haven't bought a BigTruck stream in a long time so I don't know what he's doing these days.

People don't buy PPV because there's no shot clock, they don't buy them because the bulk of the PPV events available are regional, at best, and only of interest to super pool junkies or people who live in the area of the PPV event (aside from national or special events, of course).

A shot clock isn't going help streamers get viewers. I mean, most streams are 9-ball and how often do you see a slow player in 9-ball? Not very. Even the regional tournaments fly by because it's a bunch of B's and A's and house pros on a bar-box ... they swing at just about everything and while yes, its exciting to watch, no one will remember who they are a week later.
 
DAVE_M said:
Ask the players if they want a shot clock, more than most will say no.

You saying they are good is your opinion, me saying they are bad is my opinion, and asking the players what they want will get their opinion. Threads like these are pointless.
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Actually the players have been asked and at the Pro Level they have without fail been in favor of it... Even in the "Make it Happen" One pocket event all of the players were pro shot clock.... Even if they slept the clock at some point...

The rules are evolving tho... You have to be down on the shot at zero... And in One Pocket a foul is not an inning ending foul... You will get a fresh shot clock and you will owe a ball when you relinquish the table....

All Matches on the TV Table in Tunica at the Southern Classic will be on a shot clock.... 9ball, Banks, One Pocket and 10ball on the 10fts....
 
Better than a "per shot" clock is a "per rack" clock.

Just like a chess game: you get 4 minutes (or any agreed upon amount of time) to play a rack; tap the button at the end of your inning and your clock stops and your opponent's clock starts. Shoot the easy shots fast and you'll have plenty of time to consider the tough shots.

If your time runs out, you lose the rack.

The key to popularity with the public is SPEED. We want to see MOTION! Fast play!

If the Per Rack Clock isn't successful, then we'll need to add violence. Pool as a contact sport. Blocking, tackling and body-checking. The Ref drops the cue ball mid-table and the players jostle for who gets the first shot (not always an advantage since your opponent might smack you upside the head with his cue while you're shooting).

It will be great! Blood on the table and a trainer in your corner to stitch you up between racks (you don't want to take the time to get stitched up during the rack since you've only got 4 minutes). I'll bet Earl is the first one to wear a helmet.

What would football (America's most popular sport) be without clocks and contact? Hockey isn't as popular as football, but at least it's on TV.

Who do you think would win? I like Rodney Morris. Good combination of size and speed but he's getting a little too old to play the new game. Thorsten Hohlman looks like one tough SOB.
 
If a shot clock had to be used I like it per shot, but time not used to be added onto the next shot. Say your using a 20 sec clock, if the player hits his shot in 10 then when the clock is hit it shows 30 for the next shot. This way players that play at a normal pace can build up time for situations later that will demand more time and it will only push the slowest of players.

A couple of the straight pool matches I have on tape used a shot clock, but it was a decent amount of time per shot allowed. I don't remember if it was 30 or 45 secs, but gave the players plenty of time to make a choice while still keeping the tournament moving. It worked very well.

I hate to see any game or sport where the outcome can be effected by the player not being given a fair amount of time to make the proper choice for them. Sometimes that means shot selection and sometimes it is getting themselves prepared mentally for the task at hand. Ive seen it in golf where they have gone through 72 holes of tournament play, came down to a play off and in a critical situation had to rush a shot. To me that just isn't right. They are out there playing for the cash and title. Too much time and work has been invested for the outcome to be effected because a fan wants doesn't want to wait a little while longer.

True in golf the fans are the reason they have the chance to do what they do, and there are time restraints on tv, but to see the outcome of a major tournament possibly be effected because of a shot clock just isn't right IMHO.

There are many reasons why pool is not a lot of fun to watch on tv or livestream, but to me it has much more to do with the game being played instead of the amount of time it takes to play. More on this at a later time.

Woody
 
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The Renfro said:
Actually the players have been asked and at the Pro Level they have without fail been in favor of it... Even in the "Make it Happen" One pocket event all of the players were pro shot clock.... Even if they slept the clock at some point...

The rules are evolving tho... You have to be down on the shot at zero... And in One Pocket a foul is not an inning ending foul... You will get a fresh shot clock and you will owe a ball when you relinquish the table....

All Matches on the TV Table in Tunica at the Southern Classic will be on a shot clock.... 9ball, Banks, One Pocket and 10ball on the 10fts....
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Thank you for posting this info Renfro. This is great news to me as a fan and PPV buyer...and I'm sure many others would agree. So there some change in the right direction. Maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel. Johnnyt
 
I'm all for shot clocks and will be buying bonus ball streams for the fast paced action.

Attention spans are getting shorter every day and those that won't use a clock will get left behind.
 
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