If the tour qualifier tournament never happens, should all of the people who paid $2k be reimbursed ? I'm talking about those who did not finish in the top two of a qualifier. It could be argued that they didn't make it anyway and they have no claim, or it could be argued that they were suckered into investing in a product that did not exist and should get their money back. Is there any precedent for a situation like this ?
Should all wannabes be reimbursed ?
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That's my argument.Rarelymisses said:
Refunding would be "the right thing to do" but we must consider the source of who we're dealing with here.
Rarelymisses said:
Define or at least narrow down the term "never" a bit (infinity is a long time
) and clarify that you definitely mean the tour card final qualifier event not taking place as opposed to the 2007 tour not taking place....and somebody out there knowledgeable in legal matters might at least have a starting point to be able to take a proper stab at answering
Rarelymisses...<<It could be argued that they didn't make it anyway and they have no claim, or it could be argued that they were suckered into investing in a product that did not exist and should get their money back. Is there any precedent for a situation like this ?>>
As a qualifier sponsor for a guy who did not finish in the top 2, I have thought about that but rejected the idea. It would be impossible to PROVE that it was never the intent of the IPT to hold the 2007 Tour Card Qualifer event.
Even those who DID finish Top 2 would have a very, very difficult time prevailing in court.
Besides, when the IPT goes into bankruptcy, the debts would be extinguished anyway...except for fraud and that requires a VERY high standard of proof.
Regards,
Jim
As a qualifier sponsor for a guy who did not finish in the top 2, I have thought about that but rejected the idea. It would be impossible to PROVE that it was never the intent of the IPT to hold the 2007 Tour Card Qualifer event.
Even those who DID finish Top 2 would have a very, very difficult time prevailing in court.
Besides, when the IPT goes into bankruptcy, the debts would be extinguished anyway...except for fraud and that requires a VERY high standard of proof.
Regards,
Jim
And that is why they do not want to use words like "cancelled". Then they would be perpetrating a fraud. So by saying the 2007 season is still on and the Chicago event is just going to be delayed until 2007 then they can continue to collect money from people entering the qualifiers.
They can then say that they were working hard to make a go of the IPT but they just couldn't succeed especially since so many people were against it. Therefore, it really wasn't KT's, Deno's or Mike's fault, it was all the negative talk out there that failed the IPT.
Of course they will say that with a straight face.
48 days without being paid. How many days will it take for the players to wise up? Are they really that stupid? Or is Kevin really that charismatic.
Jake
They can then say that they were working hard to make a go of the IPT but they just couldn't succeed especially since so many people were against it. Therefore, it really wasn't KT's, Deno's or Mike's fault, it was all the negative talk out there that failed the IPT.
Of course they will say that with a straight face.
48 days without being paid. How many days will it take for the players to wise up? Are they really that stupid? Or is Kevin really that charismatic.
Jake
av84fun said:
Well just reverse the situation on em, stop payment on your credit card and give your reasons as vague as they give too you. And if it actually happens then you'll make good on your end. Its gotta be worth a 2K try.
jjinfla said:
Actually, the word "cancelled" for the Chicago event has no bearing, since it was for "card holders only". So there would have been no qualifiers there.
Onto the big question. LEGALLY, one would have to PROVE that at the time of the qualifer, the IPT knew that there would be no future events. If you could do that you would definitely have a case for fraud and/or "thief by deception"
