Should be a foul if your cue tip ever touches the cloth...including rails?

[thenaturalpoolplayer]

What's next? Are we going to just start snapping the angles with chalk lines?
(3:16-4:16...the video starts at 3:16)

P.S get rid of the diamonds.

 

[ShootingArts]

It did look like his cue shaft flexed for a few moments when on the rail. A beautiful kick, I would wonder if it was made a bit easier by a mark on the rail myself. If I was the ref and saw that stick flex then saw a mark there I would call an unsportsmanlike foul and loss of game.

Hu

 

[ChrisinNC]

I agree I think it’s a bad habit to touch your cue tip on the cloth to indicate where you plan the CB to end up at, or touching your cue tip on the rail cloth which could be an attempt to mark the rail for an upcoming kick or bank shot.

However, it would be a hard rule to enforce, and I don’t think even on this forum that everyone would agree it should be disallowed.

 

[ShootingArts]

I agree I think it’s a bad habit to touch your cue tip on the cloth to indicate where you plan the CB to end up at, or touching your cue tip on the rail cloth which could be an attempt to mark the rail for an upcoming kick or bank shot.

However, it would be a hard rule to enforce, and I don’t think even on this forum that everyone would agree it should be disallowed.

A good friend and good player has a habit of using his tip to help visualize shots. Knowing his ethics I know he would never mark a table. I have seen opponents question his use of the cue tip a handful of times though and I don't really blame them for questioning. If someone chalks and then touches the felt they will almost certainly mark the felt, intentional or not. When I see a player using their tip to help visualize a shot I do check the cloth if I don't know the player.

If people accidentally leave a mark when pointing where they want the cue ball to stop, I don't care. They are just giving me free information. I may give a few second stare to mark where I want my cue ball to stop in my mind but I never indicate that spot with my stick. No reason to tell my opponent how close I came or how badly I missed.

Hu

 

[WildWing]

No, it shouldn't be a foul. Plenty of us cue right against the cloth before the stroke. Doing that, and stroking low eliminates the skids.

All the best,
WW

 

[bbb]

doesnt seem to me he marked the rail
icbw

 

[The_JV]

yawn.... much ado

The evil Filler strikes again eh...? They should just kick him out the game already

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

If Pool becomes more nuts with rules people will give up sport for Cornhole.

 

[dquarasr]

No, it shouldn't be a foul. Plenty of us cue right against the cloth before the stroke. Doing that, and stroking low eliminates the skids.

All the best,
WW

That isn’t the objection. The concern was him touching and possibly marking the rail with his tip where he was trying to kick to.

 

[buckshotshoey]

Zoom in and play at slower speed. It doesnt look like the tip ever touches the cloth. Just ferrule.

 

[thenaturalpoolplayer]

A good friend and good player has a habit of using his tip to help visualize shots. Knowing his ethics I know he would never mark a table. I have seen opponents question his use of the cue tip a handful of times though and I don't really blame them for questioning. If someone chalks and then touches the felt they will almost certainly mark the felt, intentional or not. When I see a player using their tip to help visualize a shot I do check the cloth if I don't know the player.

If people accidentally leave a mark when pointing where they want the cue ball to stop, I don't care. They are just giving me free information. I may give a few second stare to mark where I want my cue ball to stop in my mind but I never indicate that spot with my stick. No reason to tell my opponent how close I came or how badly I missed.

Hu

Yeah I've seen players do this...first of all its needless wear and tear on the cloth...secondly yeah your marking the table and adding lots of chalk so causing other issues like "kick" shots...imagine they are doing this with Kamui chalk?

 

[couldnthinkof01]

No reason to tell my opponent how close I came or how badly I missed.

Hu

Made me spit my late night coffee

 

[thenaturalpoolplayer]

No, it shouldn't be a foul. Plenty of us cue right against the cloth before the stroke. Doing that, and stroking low eliminates the skids.

All the best,
WW

Well that's just awful cuemanship. You are putting unnecessary chalk on the table. Anyway, obviously when you are down on the shot it shouldn't apply since you can contact the cloth on follow through.

 

[thenaturalpoolplayer]

Zoom in and play at slower speed. It doesnt look like the tip ever touches the cloth. Just ferrule.

This isn't the worst example out there...but he does touch the cloth near the 3 ball. Anyway, this also applys to players who run their cue down the line of the shot before getting down on it...why does it seem like lefty's do this more?

 

[WildWing]

Well that's just awful cuemanship. You are putting unnecessary chalk on the table. Anyway, obviously when you are down on the shot it shouldn't apply since you can contact the cloth on follow through.

The highest straight pool run of 768 was done by Babe Cranfield. That's exactly how he played the game. By cueing right on the cloth behind the cue ball. He explained that it is the best way to minimize skid of the object ball. And it doesn't deposit chalk on the table. With a whopping 34 posts, I wouldn't have expected you to know this.

 

[ChrisinNC]

The highest straight pool run of 768 was done by Babe Cranfield. That's exactly how he played the game. By cueing right on the cloth behind the cue ball. He explained that it is the best way to minimize skid of the object ball. And it doesn't deposit chalk on the table. With a whopping 34 posts, I wouldn't have expected you to know this.

This type of touching your tip to the cloth on address or follow through has nothing at all to do with what is being questioned here.

 

[WildWing]

This type of touching your tip to the cloth on address or follow through has nothing at all to do with what is being questioned here.

I think it does. Plenty of us on a cue ball frozen to the rail shot hit down on the shot, which you could say would place the tip on the rail cloth. We might even do a practice stroke or two before playing the shot, or electing another shot. Too much psychodrama here. Chalk and talc for that matter gets on the table. You can always elect to clean it off at any time.

 

[ChrisinNC]

I think it does. Plenty of us on a cue ball frozen to the rail shot hit down on the shot, which you could say would place the tip on the rail cloth. We might even do a practice stroke or two before playing the shot, or electing another shot. Too much psychodrama here. Chalk and talc for that matter gets on the table. You can always elect to clean it off at any time.

What is being questioned here is whether certain unnecessary actions can be considered as intentional marking of the table, which is clearly a foul by the rules, not your tip touching the cloth in the natural course of a pre-stroke or follow through.

 

[WildWing]

What is being questioned here is whether certain unnecessary actions can be considered as intentional marking of the table, which is clearly a foul by the rules, not your tip touching the cloth in the natural course of a pre-stroke or follow through.

I hear you, but what may be unnecessary to you may be necessary to someone else. Putting the cue tip down on the rail might be for lining up a subsequent shot to see the angle. You can't make that kind of stuff illegal, too hard. Again, too much psychodrama.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

By cueing right on the cloth behind the cue ball. He explained that it is the best way to minimize skid of the object ball.

I can't imagine how.

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