shoulder hurts like hell

Hopefully you do not already have a rotator cuff tear like uwate. As long as it is just impingement, PT or just some basic RTC exercises to start may help a lot. If exercises alone do not fix it, adjustment to your stance may be necessary as stated above.
 
Ice is usually only recommended for the first 24 hours after an injury, to reduce swelling. After, medical people usually recommend heat. I think it has to do with wether or not you want an increase or decrease of blood flow to the site.
 
Solartje said:
Hi all

i had this problem before (since i started playing.)

The shoulder from my bridgearm hurts like hell after an hour of playing.
i solved it by having a higher stance, but everybody is telling me to get lower again and get my chin close to the cue. my potting has improved again, but my shoulder hurts like HELL again.

is this normal? i have had this for 3 years. i'm very slim (110pound for 6feet).
Are my muscles not strong enough? am I doing something wrong to hurt my shoulder?

in tournament is still ok, as i have times where i'm siting down, time in between matches,but at home when i'm training, after 1 hour of drills i just have to stop.
if i continue, ill have a shoulder who hurts for a week... It really isn't a cool thing. IF i get time to finaly get some proper training, i can't do more then a hour or two.

any help?

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I had a similiar problem. I went to the doctor and he told me to stretch it by put holding a broomstick or cue in the bridge hand, hold it above your head with the stick hanging straight down and with the other hand push the stick straight up to stretch the shoulder muscle. After a few weeks the pain went away.
 
muttley76 said:
Ice is usually only recommended for the first 24 hours after an injury, to reduce swelling. After, medical people usually recommend heat. I think it has to do with wether or not you want an increase or decrease of blood flow to the site.
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Yes, but that's not what I asked. He said ice is bad for joints. Heat is bad for joints as long as there is still swelling present. You should never apply heat to an injured area where bruising or swelling are present. Heat should be used for minor muscle soreness or tightness (spasms) or to warm up before exercise.

For pain caused by inflammation, ice is just fine. Leave it on too long and it can damage your skin, but for the life of me I can't find any literature that states that ice is BAD for joints.

And, yes, it all has to do with blood flow. Blood brings with it bad things like free radicals that can actually damage tissue. That's why ice is the first treatment after an acute injury.

As for the OP, you've gotten some good advice (some very bad too!). You should definitely see a doctor but I expect he will diagnose tendinitis. I recently went to pool school and had pain exactly like you described in my left shoulder. I was really tensing up too much on that side through all the practice drills. Hundreds of reps added to the problem. Ice and ibuprofen fixed it up.

I have struggled with tendinitis in both shoulders for years. When it first hit it was misdiagnosed as a torn rotator cuff and impingement syndrome. Both options would have required surgery and the impingement one can almost be termed re-constructive. A second opinion properly diagnosed it as a tendon too large for the spot it is in. I opted to not have surgery and can manage the pain with exercise and Advil.

Good luck and keep us posted.

MM
 
I had this same exact problem with my shoulder and even asked this same question on here. Didn't take the best advice and ask the doctor but mine did go away.
I'm not slim like you, I'm 6' 215lbs but I also have rotator cuff issues in both shoulders. There are a few things that would affect this. Rotator cuff exercises would strengthen the area. Some type of joint repair vitamin works as well. I actually did the joint repair vitamin and mine went away.
Solartje said:
Hi all

i had this problem before (since i started playing.)

The shoulder from my bridgearm hurts like hell after an hour of playing.
i solved it by having a higher stance, but everybody is telling me to get lower again and get my chin close to the cue. my potting has improved again, but my shoulder hurts like HELL again.

is this normal? i have had this for 3 years. i'm very slim (110pound for 6feet).
Are my muscles not strong enough? am I doing something wrong to hurt my shoulder?

in tournament is still ok, as i have times where i'm siting down, time in between matches,but at home when i'm training, after 1 hour of drills i just have to stop.
if i continue, ill have a shoulder who hurts for a week... It really isn't a cool thing. IF i get time to finaly get some proper training, i can't do more then a hour or two.

any help?

:(
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There's a good stretch to do that may help out with this.

Stand next to the corner of a wall, with your achy side toward the wall. Hold your arm out, shoulder-to-elbow level to the floor, and your forearm held straight up.

Place your forearm up against the corner of the wall, so that you're facing down the other part of the wall.

Then simply step/lean in a bit, and apply pressure with your arm against the wall, like you're trying to push the wall ahead of you. Not a lot - but enough that you feel it. Do it for maybe 10 seconds at a time, work up a bit as you feel like it.

This will help strengthen your shoulder and rotator cuff muscles, which I believe is what you're having issues with.

Do this now and again during the day, whenever you have a couple of minutes and can find a suitable wall to use.
 
MikeM said:
Yes, but that's not what I asked. He said ice is bad for joints. Heat is bad for joints as long as there is still swelling present. You should never apply heat to an injured area where bruising or swelling are present. Heat should be used for minor muscle soreness or tightness (spasms) or to warm up before exercise.

MM
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I went to a fantastic physical therapist about 7 years ago for a shoulder thing with golf, (who had just been visted by Tiger Woods several months before)and one of the things he said was "Ice for short term pain, heat for long term pain."

No charge. :D
 
WOW what a wide range of opinions.. fire vs ice, train like a gymnast vs don't put to much pressure on it...

if you are in PAIN go see a doctor...

if it is just a little sore.. the culprit could be putting to much weight on your bridge hand .. pressing to hard into the felt... that happens to me from time to time..

you want some weight on that hand ... but it should not be your basis of support..

try a higher stance.. or just relax a little more..

NOONE plays correctly when ANY muscles are tense.. just relax and stroke the ball...
 
MikeM said:
How is ice bad for your joints?

Curious minds and all.


MM
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http://www.posetech.com/training/archives/000590.html


May 20, 2008
INJURIES: TO ICE OR NOT?

Icing was always a part of athletes? life, but never to the extremes it is today. It almost seems to be the most recommended treatment for injuries, especially so in running. One can find heat application being recommended also, but not nearly as much as it should be and sometimes not for the right reasons.

Icing or cold therapy with ice is recommended primarily for numbing the pain and reducing the swelling. Since pain is our body's signal that there is a problem and swelling is reduced by freezing the tissue, in reality icing does nothing more than masking the problem and deterring your attention. Unless there is an open wound and blood needs to be stopped or there is a need to drop the body temperature (fever, overheating), application of ice to a human body is really not a good idea.

While majority of us agrees that icing does not carry any healing qualities, some go as far as to state that icing helps with overuse injuries and painful joints. To stop the overuse injuries one should examine his technique and training, applying an icepack won't make technical problems go away. Your joints will do better, when treated with warmth. The reality is that cold from ice does not penetrate deeper, than the top layer of your muscles, directly under your skin. A human body has to maintain a certain temperature to live. If the temperature drops below that - the body stops functioning. So if icing could really reach your joints to ice them, you'd be in trouble and have some dead tissue on your hands.... um, legs.

Living tissue does better with warmer temperatures. It heals better and faster and it weathers the distress of an injury better. Application of ice to the injured area might temporarily relieve you from feeling pain and freeze the tissue to stop the blood flow to reduce the swelling, but that will also stop the healing process. In order to heal itself, your body needs the blood to flow through the injured area. Strangely enough, today, it is considered a bad thing by many. But why would anyone get in the way of healing their injuries? Why first stop the natural healing by freezing everything with ice and then try to artificially re-initiate it with medicine? Why not do it right from the begining?

Next time you have an inflammation, instead of icing it, try applying a flat-cut piece of room temperature raw potato slice to the affected area or a warm compress soaked in apple cider vinegar. If you wish to take any medicine - take one aspirin. Next time you get a bruise, rub it immediately through the pain instead of applying ice, and you will notice that the pain associated with the bruise will lessen a lot quicker than usual and the skin discoloration will be a lot less, if it happens at all.

It will serve you well to always remember that icing has a rather narrow purpose and limited usage, and you can absolutely do without it. As a matter of fact you will help speed up your healing if you skip the "ice therapy". Next time you have an injury, and let?s hope that it doesn't happen, but if it does, don't ice it. Instead take care of it with one of the treatments described above and then take a hot bath with apple cider vinegar or go to sauna (which has always been hugely popular in Russian and European athletic circles) before calling it a day.

There are many ways to deal with injuries and application of ice is just one, small and rather insignificant step that is not nesessary as often as it is recommended nowadays. Unless your injury was caused by a random accident like hitting something, or tripping and falling, your next move is to break the unproductive cycle of repeating your mistakes and address errors in your technique, that are causing your injuries instead of numbing the pain and hoping the injures would just go away.

Article by Dr. Nicholas Romanov
Composed by L. Romanov
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MikeM said:
How is ice bad for your joints?

Curious minds and all.


MM
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http://sportsmedicine.about.com/cs/injuries/a/aa120600a.htm

A new report published in the October issue of British Journal of Sports Medicine cautions against keeping bags of frozen vegetables on bare skin for too long because this household remedy, used to treat swelling or other injuries, could backfire.
Researchers at the Department of Accident and Emergency Medicine at Southern General Hospital in Glasgow and at Accident and Emergency Crosshouse Hospital in Kilmarnock, Scotland, highlight the case of a young physical education teacher who used a bag of frozen potatoes wrapped in a towel to alleviate pain in her right foot. The bag sat on her foot for at least 40 minutes and the pain did go away, temporarily. However, researchers say, the foot became discolored and the pain returned. The woman lost feeling in a couple of her toes. After being diagnosed with frostbite, she underwent surgery to treat the permanent nerve damage to two of her toes.

While exposure to cold can ease pain and swelling, ice packs can also stop blood flow if left on the skin too long, researchers say. Ice packs should not stay on the skin longer than a half-hour, and if the only cold compress available in the house is a bag of frozen vegetables, be sure to wrap it in a towel. If the injury occurs in an area with little fat or muscle beneath the skin, such as a toe, take the compress off after 10 minutes maximum.
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Even if taken off before permanent nerve damage, ice is still damaging tissue and delaying healing except in emergency situations. If you are using it to kill pain, it is affecting your nerves, otherwise it wouldn't be working. Pain, or, the "current of injury" as described in the book "The Body Electric", actually causes the healing response. Deadening it deadens you.
 
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