Shouldn't there be more stroking or PSR threads than Aiming threads ?

JoeyInCali

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Seriously, I have never seen a player who has great mechanics and psr shoot really bad.
Is aiming holding up players more than mechanics. PSR or concentration combined ?
 
I actually have seen players like that, one specifically that went to the 3 day BCA school and became a certified (recognized?) instructor. Had picture-perfect pendulum stroke, further refined through the school and practice, but we beat up on him all the time. He just didn't have the same feel, positional awareness, or mental game to get to that next level, even after years of practice.

For anyone that's played any other sports, the mechanics in pool are pretty simple, regardless of your approach. Low speed, low impact, stationary ball, pretty simple hinging movement. Far easier to teach and reproduce than a baseball, tennis, or golf swing for instance. Witness the hundreds of golf instructional books out there, very few talk about course management or specialty shots but they all try to break the swing down in many different ways.

That's probably why we have all of the discussions about aiming. People feel like they miss because they aimed wrong, don't want to admit it could be caused by poor fundamentals, improperly centered vision, poor concentration, etc. Plus, with the advent of the internet not all that long ago, we are able to share all of this information in a way that wouldn't have been possible 20 years ago, the "secrets" have been exposed and expanded upon and enhanced and torn to shreds, all at once. Name calling and cult status aside, it can only help expand upon the pool (pun intended) of knowledge and further improve this great game.

Scott
 
Seriously, I have never seen a player who has great mechanics and psr shoot really bad.
Is aiming holding up players more than mechanics. PSR or concentration combined ?

A really intriguing question!

My instinct is that aim can be debated on a geometry and physics basis and that stroke comes down to feel. The feel of a good stroke can be taught, but it's far easier to assess aim than stroke. One can see from a distance if a player is close to correct aim or needs to swerve their cue on the final stroke to be accurate; it's harder IMO to see what part of an arm or hand is not right for a particular stroke.
 
A really intriguing question!

My instinct is that aim can be debated on a geometry and physics basis and that stroke comes down to feel. The feel of a good stroke can be taught, but it's far easier to assess aim than stroke. One can see from a distance if a player is close to correct aim or needs to swerve their cue on the final stroke to be accurate; it's harder IMO to see what part of an arm or hand is not right for a particular stroke.

I couldn't agree more. I can tell during a league match if someone is going to miss or make a shot quite often - from 10' or more away! A little practice and the player should be able to tell if they are aiming close to correct. There have been times I have called a "coach" just to line a player up to make a somewhat tough cut-shot. This works extremely well, upsets the opposing team that the coach can be used so effectively, and gives the shooter a reference on where to aim future shots.
 
It's really amazing, the aiming threads. I've taken lessons from 3 instructors and they all focused on fundamentals, not aiming. In fact I remember John Binion (Detroit) telling me that he made balls with his stroke. That's how I see it. Your alignment, stance, bridge... You sent the ball in a straight line . Jeanette Lee said in an exhbition that she focuses on a contact point on the object ball and tries to focus on a smaller and smaller spot to hone accuracy. Why make it complicated? But what do I know? Fundamentals are just that- but you need to learn strategy and cue ball control to win.
 
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That's what makes an aiming rubric important. If I teach someone an aiming system (one of several as different players like different methods) and certain shots are not sunk easily, I know we have to go to stance and alignment to find the culprit. At an expert level the reason for missing shots is likewise stance and not stroke or aim.
 
Seriously, I have never seen a player who has great mechanics and psr shoot really bad.
Is aiming holding up players more than mechanics. PSR or concentration combined ?

It depends on the personality of the player. Some players need a very specific organized aiming system. They're the same way in other aspects of their life. Other players don't care about that kind of thing, and it's reflected that way in their lives as well.

Regardless, I think that getting obsessively caught up in any one thing isn't good. It's always good to take a step back and view yourself from another angle.
 
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Consistency is key... I think you have to have the stroke and aiming system down before you are ready to really jump in with both feet to a solid PSR...

I think the PSR is likely the key to punching thru plateaus and is the most important of the 3 as it is actually what brings synergy to a player...

Show me a player with a great stroke, good aim and no PSR and I'll bet you are showing me a shortstop at best 99 times out of 100.....

Chris
 
Consistency is key... I think you have to have the stroke and aiming system down before you are ready to really jump in with both feet to a solid PSR...

I think the PSR is likely the key to punching thru plateaus and is the most important of the 3 as it is actually what brings synergy to a player...

Show me a player with a great stroke, good aim and no PSR and I'll bet you are showing me a shortstop at best 99 times out of 100.....

Chris

I have to disagree with you a little here , Chris. And this is where I think a lot get it wrong. I believe you should have a solid PSR first. Which I believe is a part of the fundamentals.

Without a solid PSR, your alignment will be just a little off some of the time. That makes any aiming system out there basically null and void. They all require extreme precision to work consistently.

We all tend to get a little sloppy over time in our PSR. Lately, I have changed mine to something that most would say is very mechanical and may even look a little "odd". Yet, it is very precise, and has made a big difference in removing a lot of the misses, just because of extreme consistency. It takes quite a while for it to become "natural", and restore that feeling of natural rythym, but yet, it actually adds to the rythm because you do the same thing every time.
 
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