Sighting & Approaching This Shot

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DrCue'sProtege

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I am having a hard time with this type of shot lately. More often than not I slightly over-cut the 3B or 6B and hit it into the side rail and miss.

Any tips on how to sight this shot? How do you posters approach this shot?

Is this a shot that genomachino's Perfect Aim would help with?

r/DCP
 
Most of these shots you put up are basic shots, but of course you know that, and I assume you're question is "why can't I be consistent with this basic shot?

Is your PSR 100% grooved?
Is your PSR at least 70% by the book?
Is your stroke perfectly straight? 85% or 95% of the time.
Have you proven that?
How?
Are there faults in your alignment?
Do you know what they are?
What have you done to correct them?
Did that work?
If not...Why Not?
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Not trying to beat up on you, really, but asking about fundamental shot problems IMO is all about fundamentals.

Stance, Stroke, Bridge ....... , ......., ......,
Work on that.... More.
Maybe just forget about making balls for a few months. Just work on fundamentals.

Of course you don't want to groove the bad during your 3 month sebaticle.
 
DrCue'sProtege said:

I am having a hard time with this type of shot lately. More often than not I slightly over-cut the 3B or 6B and hit it into the side rail and miss.

Any tips on how to sight this shot? How do you posters approach this shot?

Is this a shot that genomachino's Perfect Aim would help with?

r/DCP
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I use a Vitello 90/90 line-up on these. Seems to gin it pretty good.
 
Draw a line from the center of either object ball to the back of the intended pocket. Notice the side cushion is in the way? It jumps out even further if you angle the line to the outer corner of the table. :D Try aiming the carom instead of the object ball. This will give you the correct cue ball orientation without the pocket distortion.
 
One more thing: If you must aim at something, the vertical line where the end rail facing meets the pocket liner is pretty much it.
 
Fore Rail said:
Aim to hit both object balls straight in the face & throw em in the pocket.
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For those two shots he's going to have to get three balls of throw for one and four balls of throw for the other. That's a lot in less than a half table of travel. The exact amount is going to depend on the amount of side spin he uses and whether there's any draw or follow on the cue ball when it arrives at the object ball.

If you are used to shooting such shots that way and position is unimportant on the shot, then maybe your method can work. For someone who struggles with intermediate shots and side spin, trying to perfect that method before simpler methods is a mistake.
 
DrCue'sProtege said:

I am having a hard time with this type of shot lately. More often than not I slightly over-cut the 3B or 6B and hit it into the side rail and miss.

Any tips on how to sight this shot? How do you posters approach this shot?

Is this a shot that genomachino's Perfect Aim would help with?

r/DCP
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Usually troubleshooting is about discovering the real problem. Is the shooter swerving the cue away from the pocket? That is a common issue.

Finding out whether the issue is straight cueing is first. If the cue is delivered straight then the next issue Is correct aim. Aim starts with vision center.

Test the straight cueing with a dead straight ball. There is no angle to estimate, it tests if your eyes are connected to the shot. If that runs straight then you need to determine what aiming method gives you the correct cueing line. If the cueing line is right then how you align your body that causing you to move the cue off the line is next.

Since you have the same issue with cuts in opposite directions pulling the cue off line is not likely the issue.

Having a parallax view when sighting usually results in overcuts in one direction and undercuts the opposite direction.

The remaining element is incorrect aim. That can start with the shooter looking at the hole recessed in the corner and aiming there instead of the hole opening where the rails meet. Find the exact center of what will accept the ball into the hole. Shoot the ball singly into the hole to find the real hole.

Then find both contact points on the balls and line my cue so that the front point on the cue ball and the object ball contact point are on the cue line. Do this while standing. Now parallel shift the cue to cue ball center or a hair past. That is your target line. Put the tested straight stroke on that line by taking your stance and simply deliver through the ball.
 
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DrCue'sProtege said:

I am having a hard time with this type of shot lately. More often than not I slightly over-cut the 3B or 6B and hit it into the side rail and miss.

Any tips on how to sight this shot? How do you posters approach this shot?

Is this a shot that genomachino's Perfect Aim would help with?

r/DCP
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Geno's perfect aim will make you a specialist at these shots and any similar style shots will also improve. I'm guessing of the two, one of these shots is easier for you, and the other is a bit harder.
 
DrCue'sProtege said:

I am having a hard time with this type of shot lately. More often than not I slightly over-cut the 3B or 6B and hit it into the side rail and miss.

Any tips on how to sight this shot? How do you posters approach this shot?

Is this a shot that genomachino's Perfect Aim would help with?

r/DCP
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One thing I ran across today while helping a player who suddenly became inconsistent, was the choreography aspect of taking his stance was altered slightly. After sighting from behind the shot he was slotting the cue in his bridge then ostensibly putting the bridge down on the line. Then a pivot to cue ball center while getting down completed his process.

So what principle was he violating?

The primacy of the shot line became dependent on how precise the bridge was placed on the aim line. The shot line and the cue must align. In the process of aligning, the bridge will find its place relative to the cue placement. His steps reversed the actions. We changed the order by starting with his bridge hand close to his grip on the butt. After putting his foot forward onto the line the swing of the cue superimposes the aim line before lowering the cue to the line. Now his natural movement while getting down was for his other foot to move forward allowing everything else to move down, forward and ahead with the bridge hand sliding forward under the cue on line. The cue dictates where the bridge hand ends not the other way round.

The posters problem might well be this issue. Aim and put the cue on line while standing first. Then everything else in the stance arranges around the cue line.
 
DrCue'sProtege said:

I am having a hard time with this type of shot lately. More often than not I slightly over-cut the 3B or 6B and hit it into the side rail and miss.

Any tips on how to sight this shot? How do you posters approach this shot?

Is this a shot that genomachino's Perfect Aim would help with?

r/DCP
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Perfect Aim systematizes having the eyes/line of sight held at different angles for different shots.

You can help/aid/train a shot without a system also. Simply place your hands in the stance on the chosen line, but as you settle into the full stance, allow your head to move until you feel you are sighting the o.b.-to-pocket cut angle in the best possible light. Then trust your hand to stroke toward your sighted target. Try it on this shot(s) you're struggling with.
 
I just fast glanced diagram and it looked like 10-12 degree cut. which is little fuller than 3/4 ball hit with center ball. Cueball seem to be little outer from side rail than OB. I would first go check where u make bridge hand.
0. mark exact ball positions so u can duplicate shot exactly.
1. put cue towards ob little closer to middle of ball than edge. look from far.
2. check where the cue rests on rail when u got it lined on far.(maybe mark place with something)
3. do your preshot routine and get down and then check if cue is going where u saw it going from far.
4. shoot, observe and learn.
5. mirror same shot so you can find if you make same mistake to other side or something else..
 
Poolmanis said:
I just fast glanced diagram and it looked like 10-12 degree cut. which is little fuller than 3/4 ball hit with center ball. Cueball seem to be little outer from side rail than OB. I would first go check where u make bridge hand.
0. mark exact ball positions so u can duplicate shot exactly.
1. put cue towards ob little closer to middle of ball than edge. look from far.
2. check where the cue rests on rail when u got it lined on far.(maybe mark place with something)
3. do your preshot routine and get down and then check if cue is going where u saw it going from far.
4. shoot, observe and learn.
5. mirror same shot so you can find if you make same mistake to other side or something else..
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I agree. I call this my 2/3rd ball hit. (My own lingo, don't know if it is "correct") I find my center CB aim is a little more than a tip in from the center OB.
 
:ROFLMAO: LOL....That's why I said "my own lingo" Hey, it works in my warped mind. I blame Poology. I kept getting it mixed up while reading 3/4 ball overhang, overlap, etc. so I said to heck with it and just made up my own "keys"
 
jokrswylde said:
:ROFLMAO: LOL....That's why I said "my own lingo" Hey, it works in my warped mind. I blame Poology. I kept getting it mixed up while reading 3/4 ball overhang, overlap, etc. so I said to heck with it and just made up my own "keys"
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It doesn't matter what you call it to yourself, as long as you know what you mean. :)

pj
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