Sledgehammers possible illegal?
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racer rx said:
i don't think they will make them illegal. but the debate you're hearing is probably over the phenolic tip not being a typical ferrule with a leather tip.
thanks
VAP
You may have things a little backwords.racer rx said:
At one time, the Sledgehammer was not approved by the BCA. It was something about their requirement that the tip be made of a fiberous material. However, the phenolic tip does have some type of fibers in it and the BCA changed their rulling. The Sledgehammer was approved.
Since that time, a number of cue makers and production manufactures, including Bunjee, Fury and others, have started using phenolic tips. I very much doubt that the BCA will reverse their rulling now.
Rich R. said:You may have things a little backwords.
At one time, the Sledgehammer was not approved by the BCA. It was something about their requirement that the tip be made of a fiberous material. However, the phenolic tip does have some type of fibers in it and the BCA changed their rulling. The Sledgehammer was approved.
Since that time, a number of cue makers and production manufactures, including Bunjee, Fury and others, have started using phenolic tips. I very much doubt that the BCA will reverse their rulling now.
It is nice how business supercedes integrity. Nothing against the Sledgehammer but you're right. There's pretty much little to no chance that the BCA or any organization will take dramatic steps to remove phenolic tips simply because the industry would scream about it (not to mention all the players that plunked down their money for 'em).
Honestly, phenolic tips are the least of my concern but it does show the logic behind jump-cues and how they'll likely be around forever.
And I know it has been debated before, but I think that sucks. I have a jump cue, and I'm a fairly proficient jumper, but I think that people need to learn to kick and negotiate themselves out of leaves without having a cue that will jump a ball an inch or two away.Jude Rosenstock said:
Mike
Mike Templeton said:
There are so many different aspects of the game that require skill. Just gotta learn how to execute it, and learn when is your best percentage to use it, and then be able to deliver on it in the clutch. There are times when a jump is a good way to go, so just gotta have the skill to do it. There are times when a kick is a better way to go, gotta be ready to execute that as well. Sometimes you may have to strengthen your game in other areas in order to take best advantage of the situation (i.e. Play tighter safeties so they can't jump the ball, or take away the best kick options, or just flat be able to run out from tougher situations). It's all part of the game, the ability to play within your game and adjust to any situation is key.
Why do we care what a trade organization (BCA) says about a cue?
Do you think helmet manufacturers tell the NFL what helmets to use?
Do you think bat manufacturers tell mlb what bats to use?
Do you think helmet manufacturers tell the NFL what helmets to use?
Do you think bat manufacturers tell mlb what bats to use?
1pRoscoe said:
Yes but the underlying difference between baseball & pool is that mlb can dictate what can or cannot be used without dramatically affecting the sales of a product. Aluminum bats aren't allowed yet sell like hotcakes to schools and little leagues. Pool has a much smaller competitive group that tries to adhere to similar rules whenever possible. What the BCA does has a far greater impact on the industry than mlb.
1pRoscoe said:
Do you really believe the BCA is THE GOVERNING BODY of pool??
Just because they proclaim it????
The BCA has left the league business. When they get out of the tournament business we'll be better off.
Jude Rosenstock said:
A little OT, but that is unfortunate. Why not steel toed kickers boots in football or soccer, I'm sure it would improve distance.
Yeah, I'm old-fashioned.
And I know that they can make golf balls that travel about 50 yards farther than the ones that the PGA (and other) players use.catscradle said:
Me, too.
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onepocketchump
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Rich R. said:You may have things a little backwords.
At one time, the Sledgehammer was not approved by the BCA. It was something about their requirement that the tip be made of a fiberous material. However, the phenolic tip does have some type of fibers in it and the BCA changed their rulling. The Sledgehammer was approved.
Since that time, a number of cue makers and production manufactures, including Bunjee, Fury and others, have started using phenolic tips. I very much doubt that the BCA will reverse their rulling now.
Just a quick correction. The Bunjee Tip is made of leather and phenolic resin and was approved by the BCA and VNEA before the Sledgehammer was on the market.
John
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Teacherman said:
The BCA makes the rules for it's tournaments and rules that follow the WPA rules. No one has to abide them outside of BCA events and many do not.
Yes - Equipment manufacturers tell sports organizations what equipment to use - to a degree, through innovation, presentation, sponsorship and lobbying. Generally sports organizations do not have the money or inclination to research and develop the equipment used in their sport. And just as relevant, sports often depend on the funds generated by the sale of sports equipment for the continued survival of the sport. So, there are varying degrees of cooperation neccessary for the sport to grow and for equipment to evolve.
As for jump cues - this debate will never end as long as the rules allow for someone to be rewarded for sloppy play. Change the rules to call safeties or better still back to two-foul push-out nine ball and you will see that the need for jump cues is eliminated.
The other night I played a guy who never bitched once about the jump cue when he was winning and threatened to quit when I started playing good, if I didn't agree to not use the jump cue. It's nothing more than sour grapes. I offered to play him with call safe or with Grady's Rules that a ball had to be pocketed or it was a ball-in-hand foul and he declined. It's not the jump cue that is the problem, it's the fact that some people have thought about how to innovate their way around the silly rules and others have adopted those innovations while others still want ot live in some kind of fantasyland where nothing changes.
John
Really
If they are out of league business, why do they have a site called playbca.com and it is all about their leagues. They are also sending me a packet about all their leagues. Maybe you know something we don't know though. Also 8,000 bca league players head to vegas in May. This not necessarily a difference on your opinion however.Teacherman said:
They sold the league. It's still operated but not by the BCA. I recommend a name change.
onepocketchump said:
AMEN,,,don't like jump cues,,,casual players think they can jump like a pro,,,just mess up the cloth on my tables !!!,,,,bring on/bring back the two shot foul !!!!!!!
Jack
I loved two shot foul. How about a compromise?????
If you call a safety, I have to hit it (one foul rules)
If you luck into a safety, I can push out (2 foul rules)
I loved two shot foul. How about a compromise?????
If you call a safety, I have to hit it (one foul rules)
If you luck into a safety, I can push out (2 foul rules)