So I was playing one of the top guys around here last night and we were playing 9 ball for cheap $20 sets and I was walking through him with ease the first set, I was getting out from everywhere and he couldn't make a ball. So the first set I'm on the hill and he just starts banging balls and it was like they were magnetic for the pockets. He was hitting the cueball so hard it was bouncing around the table and off rails but balls kept going, so several games of this and he gets it hill hill so we double up and play again, and same freaking thing he just starts slamming balls and they are falling left and right and I never won a game. He never actually ran a rack on me in the usual sense of playing right and getting position. He even admitted he was just splashing the balls. So frustrating.
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how many turns at the table did he get each rack? Even with good fortune, woulda had to be a couple...
I can confirm thouugh: The pool gods can make strange thing happen.
I was playing a very good player once in a tourney and every time he touched the CB disaster ensued, literally. I won the set 9-1. IIRC, I hung the 9 late in the set and didn't make him shoot it (out of fear he would smash cue).
But back to you- you should be happy when your opponenets are playing like that. it is when you get beat by a guy that finds cosmos every game you gotta be worried about!
I can confirm thouugh: The pool gods can make strange thing happen.
I was playing a very good player once in a tourney and every time he touched the CB disaster ensued, literally. I won the set 9-1. IIRC, I hung the 9 late in the set and didn't make him shoot it (out of fear he would smash cue).
But back to you- you should be happy when your opponenets are playing like that. it is when you get beat by a guy that finds cosmos every game you gotta be worried about!
I'm a little confused though ......
Top guy around there can't make a ball,
You walked right through him,
He intentionally slopped his way back to hill hill and won the set.
I having a feel you just had some grapes you didn't like the taste of.
Top guy around there can't make a ball,
You walked right through him,
He intentionally slopped his way back to hill hill and won the set.
I having a feel you just had some grapes you didn't like the taste of.
Hey where is this? This is just the kind of place I have been looking for to play:dance:
Are you assuming you get a guarantee the game will go the way you want all the time? You may also have began dogging it and he capitalized on the extra innings at the table regardless how he may have won. Players can't beat you sitting in a chair, you have to give them the opportunity to play. It is easy to deceive yourself. If you could see a replay of the match you probably started play bad and he just won as a result.
This is the biggest reason for call shot games. I think call 8 ball and 8 ball spotted on the break is a tough game. Way better than slop 9 ball for those that like that kinda thing.
This is the easiest way to limit the amount of luck in pool games.
And I guess no else has ever lost because of someone slopping in balls. Slop sucks. And anyone that accepts that slop is a part of the games needs to play 14.1 more.
Also, just because you get back at the table, doesn't mean you have a make able shot. Slop safety is just as bad as slop pocketing balls.
This is the easiest way to limit the amount of luck in pool games.
And I guess no else has ever lost because of someone slopping in balls. Slop sucks. And anyone that accepts that slop is a part of the games needs to play 14.1 more.
Also, just because you get back at the table, doesn't mean you have a make able shot. Slop safety is just as bad as slop pocketing balls.
No joke, there!!!
I played a guy 2 sets of 8-ball tonight. It's call shot, so the "luck" factor was out of the equation...or so I thought.
The guy I matched up with plays pretty sporty. Not God-like sporty, but sporty.
It killed me to see him miss any shot on the table. I actually HOPED he would make some that he wound up missing. The reason, you ask?
WITHOUT FAIL, everytime he missed a shot, I was buried. Cornerhooked here, frozen to the 8-ball there...I've never seen anything like it. He wasn't playing safe, either. That's just how the balls rolled tonight. He could miss a ball and go 4 rails afterwards, and find the 1 square inch of cloth on the table where I didn't have a shot to play.
Never seen anything like it. I wanted to eat my cue case.
play 14.1 or one pocket and this problem goes away
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Shoebat
It's not a bug, it's a feature
9ball can be a tough freaking game.*
1. If a guy keeps doing something over and over, you can either bang your head complaining about "luck" or you can figure out what he's doing and how. It may look like he's trying to make the ball, and he may act sheepish and apologize all over the place, but if the end result is the same, time after time, you have to open your eyes and think.
2. There are a lot of two- way opportunities in 9ball because it isn't call shot. You can make this ball, that ball, or even both in one shot. You can go for your ball and go for a little side swipe opportunity on the 9 en route to the next ball. You can go for the cut shot, say, on the thin side, and know that if you miss it by being just a little too thin, you're still safe.
3. Is it luck? Two answers: Only after years of practice and the ability to think under pressure is it luck. Or, for the standard old timer's answer: In 9ball you make your own luck.
4. Pool, and 9ball especially, requires you to be tough because there are so many opportunities. This is why total control is the goal. If you let the other guy on the table, you can't complain about what he (legally) does. You let him up there in the first place. Quit crying and take responsibility for letting him get to the table, and for what he saw when he got there.
(* I wish you guys could hear this whole rant in my old teacher's mean, Southern growl.)
9ball can be a tough freaking game.*
1. If a guy keeps doing something over and over, you can either bang your head complaining about "luck" or you can figure out what he's doing and how. It may look like he's trying to make the ball, and he may act sheepish and apologize all over the place, but if the end result is the same, time after time, you have to open your eyes and think.
2. There are a lot of two- way opportunities in 9ball because it isn't call shot. You can make this ball, that ball, or even both in one shot. You can go for your ball and go for a little side swipe opportunity on the 9 en route to the next ball. You can go for the cut shot, say, on the thin side, and know that if you miss it by being just a little too thin, you're still safe.
3. Is it luck? Two answers: Only after years of practice and the ability to think under pressure is it luck. Or, for the standard old timer's answer: In 9ball you make your own luck.
4. Pool, and 9ball especially, requires you to be tough because there are so many opportunities. This is why total control is the goal. If you let the other guy on the table, you can't complain about what he (legally) does. You let him up there in the first place. Quit crying and take responsibility for letting him get to the table, and for what he saw when he got there.
(* I wish you guys could hear this whole rant in my old teacher's mean, Southern growl.)
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not really.
Explain please.
It's kind of remarkable how much slop goes in my favor. Some lower percentage shots I'll hit harder because I know if I miss, and where I miss that it will go two rails and have a good chance of finding its way to another pocket or blocking my opponent. When I'm doing this, I'm usually only doing it when I know I can control the cue ball to a certain spot that's good for me and bad for my opponent. I'll give myself a few ways to get lucky. Are you sure he wasn't taking calculated shots with high odds of luck? Sort of like semi-bluffing at poker when you have lots of outs and sometimes it's your best choice, especially if you're playing the kind of player that will go on tilt and start shooting like crap because he feels the universe has somehow shifted against him.
Sometimes
that happens, not often, but it does happen. If you can't handle it, then you just play call shot, and 9 ball on the break gets spotted back up, but that same guy will probably quit playing you. As you get advanced in your playing and playing better players, the less slop there is.
It is not required in 9 ball to call safes, and back a few years, it was not required in 8 ball to call safes. The player you played may just be a little smarter than you are giving him credit for ....
that happens, not often, but it does happen. If you can't handle it, then you just play call shot, and 9 ball on the break gets spotted back up, but that same guy will probably quit playing you. As you get advanced in your playing and playing better players, the less slop there is.
It is not required in 9 ball to call safes, and back a few years, it was not required in 8 ball to call safes. The player you played may just be a little smarter than you are giving him credit for ....
take the luck out of any game and it goes away. for people to want to gamble and pool is a gambling game it has to have an element of luck. or it is too easy to say "you are too good for me" and not play.
if the best player wins every single time then there is no point in playing.
that is why poker took the wind out of pool. the best players still win but not every time.
if the best player wins every single time then there is no point in playing.
that is why poker took the wind out of pool. the best players still win but not every time.
No, he was only needing 1 or sometimes two times to the table. The problem is when he actually didn't make anything either with an actual shot or slamming them, he was leaving me long or hooked.
No, I played great the first set till he started with his slamming the balls, cause with lucky shots came lucky leaves when he missed. Either long shots or no shots.
I'm a little confused though ......
Top guy around there can't make a ball,
You walked right through him,
He intentionally slopped his way back to hill hill and won the set.
I having a feel you just had some grapes you didn't like the taste of.
No, I didn't mean can't make a ball as literally as you are taking it, but he was missing easy cut shots and couldn't get shape when he was at the table (we were playing alternate break) So he just started splashing them. I know it's just words to everybody on here but if you seen it you would completely agree. Even he admitted it.
I know the player very well, I know how he thinks and how he plays and you can NOT take anything from his game. But I was being serious about the cueball bouncing around off rails and skipping off the table and just blasting balls. There was tons of luck in it. He even said during one game that after that set he was going to buy a lotto ticket and go play poker.
Ah, someone who actually understands how it works. A player getting lucky is great, it keeps them coming back for more. Luck is not enough to make them the winner if you play better but makes the game closer without you having to stall very much, if at all.
There is nothing better then the sucker, excuse me, the other player, winning a few on their own as you pile on the praise. Never begrudge the other player winning a few games regardless how they do it, it won't change the ultimate outcome.
So, you are still going to win if you are the better player. You can't dictate how he has to play.