Smokin Aces played on Valleys....
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All of you complaining about Valleys, I understand, but not all Valleys are the same.
Why don't all of you all come to Shooters in Olathe, Kansas this November for the next Midwest 9 Ball tournament and try and see how easy their Valley bar tables play?
I am not sure about Smokin Aces, they could have been buckets for all I know, but my point is that not all Valleys play the same.
Either way, Pro or not, everyone of those guys who played in that tournament ALL got to play on the same tables. So if they were buckets, they all got to play on buckets, so it had to be fair wouldn't ya say?
It must not have been that easy, lots of pros lost in that tournament didn't they? It wasn't a cake walk for anyone.
Why don't all of you all come to Shooters in Olathe, Kansas this November for the next Midwest 9 Ball tournament and try and see how easy their Valley bar tables play?
I am not sure about Smokin Aces, they could have been buckets for all I know, but my point is that not all Valleys play the same.
Either way, Pro or not, everyone of those guys who played in that tournament ALL got to play on the same tables. So if they were buckets, they all got to play on buckets, so it had to be fair wouldn't ya say?
It must not have been that easy, lots of pros lost in that tournament didn't they? It wasn't a cake walk for anyone.
It's a finesse game on a diamond compared to a valley with slow cloth, where you need a stroke to get around. Its much easier to make a ball on the break on a diamond, which is everything when one can run out. I would also bet there has been more racks run on a diamond. I played on a dynamo with super slow cloth and dead rails the other night for the first time in 20 years, and would like to see how diamond players would fare on them.
Our room has a valley with ridgeback rails, simonis 860 and 4" pockets, and it doesn't play easy.
Most around here must run out on 6x12 with 3" pockets and 760 cloth, or diamonds with 3 1/2" pockets. No table is a challenge for keyboard champions!:grin-square:
I almost forgot, that in a poll over 5 people here claimed to have ran 10 racks or more. I think Busty claimed 7 was the most he had ever run.
Nothing wrong with valleys.
Yes the Ridgebacks make a big difference. I had that same 4" set-up on the old Valley I had before I got this one 6 months ago or more. If the humidity gets high with that set-up, forget about touching any part of the pocket or rail first...it just says, "Nope, not today". Johnnyt
PS:I have 41/4" on this table with RB's. Big difference.
Problem is most Valley's in bars are owned by venders and most won't put a dime in them until you tell them to take them out. If more bars owned their own tables they would keep them up more. I wish more bars and poolrooms would put the RB's on and close the pockets to 4 1/4". Johnnyt
this is the problem with america pool
This was a great tournament, filled with talented players from all over and the pay was really good. However how can an American Pro expect to be any good when the tourney they play in is played on POS and I mean that very seriously POS Valley Bar Box. They run out from every where.
My opinion is if you are half way decent and want to compete with the best in the world move to Europe and play on their pro league, Where the tables are 9 fts.
I mean this is a joke for a pro to play on that table it is not making them any better at all. The practice is pointless get real people pool players will be horrible if we continue to play on Valleys!
My 2 cents and I know it doesn't mean very much.
This was a great tournament, filled with talented players from all over and the pay was really good. However how can an American Pro expect to be any good when the tourney they play in is played on POS and I mean that very seriously POS Valley Bar Box. They run out from every where.
My opinion is if you are half way decent and want to compete with the best in the world move to Europe and play on their pro league, Where the tables are 9 fts.
I mean this is a joke for a pro to play on that table it is not making them any better at all. The practice is pointless get real people pool players will be horrible if we continue to play on Valleys!
My 2 cents and I know it doesn't mean very much.
lots of people
A lot of people care how the US compares and competes with the rest of the world look at the Mosconi Cup and how we have been killed.
I am just pointing out that if you want to be the best in the world the United States is not the place to play.
A lot of people care how the US compares and competes with the rest of the world look at the Mosconi Cup and how we have been killed.
I am just pointing out that if you want to be the best in the world the United States is not the place to play.
I have no problems with playing on a Valley. I actually prefer tournaments being played on Valleys when most of the competitors don't normally play on Diamonds. I can pocket balls so much easier on a regular Valley and the speed is similar to my 9' Gold Crown. Even with modified sub-rails, Artemis cushions, and Simonis 860 I need to lighten up my stroke when playing on a Diamond BB, I think a Valley with decent cloth lags about the same as my 9' table most likely due to the extra distance that needs to be covered.
I like playing on a valley and that's my two cents, so blah blah blah. They are hard on the pool stick though.
A lot of people care? I don't see how that could possibly be the case. Which is why there is so little money in professional pool in the US, where the Mosconi cup is irrelevant to people outside of professional pool, except maybe this forum and the professional wannabes...which is still quite few. The majority of people that play pool are just looking to enjoy a game and have fun. If one can only enjoy the game on a specific table of specific size with specific cloth, using specific balls and specific cue with a specific tip, only in specific locations with specific environments, specific times of day, specific days of year...so be it. But that's hardly everyone. Me personally, I'll play on a neglected table with worn and dirty cloth, dead rails and a crooked cue...and do my best to own that s.o.b. There, even the smallest of runs can garner much satisfaction. And I'd do that any day of the week vs not playing at all because I couldn't find a perfect table.
I often wonder how the greats of the past managed to get to such a high level of play when there was nothing but less an ideal conditions. I mean, I had no idea that Diamond tables and 860 Simonis cloth was standard in the Phillipines when Parica and Efren, etc. were coming up. They must of all done it because the playing conditions were always ideal and perfect for world class play!
