Sneakiest Pete for under $200?

justinb386 said:
The Players sneaky cues will have a much better taper on their shafts then the Eliminator's, and I also think the Players are much higher quality. Eliminator's are the bottom of the barrel (when it comes to quality and playability). I may be wrong, but I would be willing to bet that I am right (at least about the Players coming with a much better and more playable taper on their shafts). I think that any decent player would agree, if they ever tried about both of those cues, and compared them.
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Neither cue is a marvel of engineering or design. The quality will be comparable.

As far as the stated purpose of the cue goes, this "taper" mumbo-jumbo doesn't justify a price tag that's more than double.

If you can't live with the taper, you take a piece of sand paper to the $28 cue, or pay 15 bucks to have it retapered, and you still come out ahead of the Players.

Not everyone prefers a shoestring taper, by the way.
 
PRED said:
Best Hustlers I knew put their $200 to work and never owned a cue, straight off the rack.
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Yeah, but I bet those off the wall house cues had much better playability then the ones found on the racks these days. Back in the 90's for example, I could always find a nice Valley Supreme house cue (with a decent tip on it) at my local pool room. Good luck finding anything decent off the wall these days. Maybe the very high class pool rooms (like Amsterdam Billiards in NYC for example) offer decent house cues. I do not know, but I guarantee you that you will not find anything decent in the average pool hall or bar these days.
 
PhilosopherKing said:
Neither cue is a marvel of engineering or design. The quality will be comparable.

As far as the stated purpose of the cue goes, this "taper" mumbo-jumbo doesn't justify a price tag that's more than double.

If you can't live with the taper, you take a piece of sand paper to the $28 cue, or pay 15 bucks to have it retapered, and you still come out ahead of the Players.

Not everyone prefers a shoestring taper, by the way.
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A retaper of a shaft from any decent repair person is not cheap. I think at least $40 for the retaper that the Eliminator sneaky would need, to be to my personal liking (those are the average prices that I have been quoted many times in the past, like after receiving a DP cue that I hated the taper of for example). Then you just end of with a very poor quality shaft with a decent taper on it. I think that the Players is probably made from better quality wood. I do not know though. To me, can tell a big difference between the $40 to $50 sneaky, and the $80 to $100 ones. There probably is a difference in the quality of wood too. I do not know.
 
mchnhed said:
One of the better suggestions. SP/STD-1
3/8x10 Pin and no butt cap.
Good basic quality.
Just need to dig out that Maple Leaf and fill it in.
Only $85

Thank You
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Make sure you do some research on that cue maker, and look for reviews 1st. His shafts may not be decent quality. They may be horrible. I do not know, but I think it is always best to look for reviews about a cue maker, or any brand name cue in general.
 
PhilosopherKing said:
Neither cue is a marvel of engineering or design. The quality will be comparable.

As far as the stated purpose of the cue goes, this "taper" mumbo-jumbo doesn't justify a price tag that's more than double.

If you can't live with the taper, you take a piece of sand paper to the $28 cue, or pay 15 bucks to have it retapered, and you still come out ahead of the Players.

Not everyone prefers a shoestring taper, by the way.
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Oh, and I know from experience that sand paper takes forever. I had an old Jackson cue when I was a kid, and it took me years to get it from a 13mm down to an 11mm. I do not know. Maybe I was not working hard enough on sanding it, but I loved to sand on that thing (with 600 grit sand paper, lol, and did it for years).

I learned much later that sanding is always a very bad idea.
 
justinb386 said:
Make sure you do some research on that cue maker, and look for reviews 1st. His shafts may not be decent quality. They may be horrible. I do not know, but I think it is always best to look for reviews about a cue maker, or any brand name cue in general.
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Justin,

Breath deep. The ad says that it is 1-piece Dufferin cut in half and a pin added.

The shaft is the same shaft as what you get on a 1-piece Dufferin house cue before being cut in half.

Thanks for the effort.
 
mchnhed said:
Justin,

Breath deep. The ad says that it is 1-piece Dufferin cut in half and a pin added.

The shaft is the same shaft as what you get on a 1-piece Dufferin house cue before being cut in half.

Thanks for the effort.
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But why would you want that? You will not be happy with it. It does not sound like good quality either.
 
2twoball said:
Damn Justin, you went all out on this thread. Did you get different meds? lol
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I find it exciting to speak my thoughts about this topic. Sneaky pete cues were my favorite growing up.

I had a Scruggs true sneaky that I played with for about 10 minutes one time. Ordered it directly from Scruggs in the late 90's (for around $200 I think). I hated it. It had such a horrible taper on the shaft, and it just hit horrible to me. Very stiff hitting cue. Sold it soon after at a tournament for $110. Still amazed that they are some of the most sought after sneaky pete cues out there, and the players love them so much.

I am also very bored. I wish there were a good pool tournament that I could be at right now.
 
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If you want to go incognito or have people think you can't play, a black Cuetec or a Bud Light cue is the way to go. If I guy with a cheap aluminum or fiberglass shaft with a box case asked me to play I would be looking for an ATM without asking many questions LOL
 
justinb386 said:
But why would you want that? You will not be happy with it. It does not sound like good quality either.
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Not my suggestion.
Just commenting on your caution of shaft quality from the cue maker.
Who did not make the shaft.
Dufferin did.
 
hang-the-9 said:
If you want to go incognito or have people think you can't play, a black Cuetec or a Bud Light cue is the way to go. If I guy with a cheap aluminum or fiberglass shaft with a box case asked me to play I would be looking for an ATM without asking many questions LOL
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Yeah, this is actually the ugliest sneaky that I could find.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Cuetec-...202423?hash=item48830b51b7:g:5sgAAOSwjVVV5LWJ

If it stands out, then I imagine it would only be because it is the ugliest cue in the room.
 
All Show and No Go.
I don't think any of those "Badged" cues are good playing.
Now buy a Joss and put a Vinyl wrap on that says "Buttwiper" and we may have a winner for a Stealth Cue.
But it's not a True Sneaky Pete.


hang-the-9 said:
If you want to go incognito or have people think you can't play, a black Cuetec or a Bud Light cue is the way to go. If I guy with a cheap aluminum or fiberglass shaft with a box case asked me to play I would be looking for an ATM without asking many questions LOL
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mchnhed said:
Not my suggestion.
Just commenting on your caution of shaft quality from the cue maker.
Who did not make the shaft.
Dufferin did.
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No, I do not think that the cue maker would be using both original parts. Usually, a cue maker would only use the butt end, and then they would build a shaft (from a blank). That has always been my understanding with conversions like that. And it would be worse news if the cue maker did not build a custom shaft for the butt end (after cutting the cue in half). Then you would have a very poor quality custom cue. I would not call it custom though, and not worth $85. Much better off spending a $100 on a Schmelke I think, unless the cue maker is going to build you a decent shaft for the Dufferin butt.
 
mchnhed said:
"Maple and various hardwoods four point cue cut and rejoined with matched grain."

http://www.corsaircustomcues.com/forsale-Sneaky pete 2.htm
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Okay, then that is bad news in my opinion. A 1 piece house cue maple leaf Dufferin cut in half to make a 2 piece cue. Not good quality. If you are a decent player, or want to become a decent player, then I would suggest not choosing that option. Better to get the Schmelke for just a little more money. Much much better (far better quality in my opinion). I am done now. Good luck in your search for a good quality true sneaky for under $200. I tried my best to help.
 
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justinb386 said:
No, I do not think that the cue maker would be using both original parts. Usually, a cue maker would only use the butt end, and then they would build a shaft (from a blank). That has always been my understanding with conversions like that. And it would be worse news if the cue maker did not build a custom shaft for the butt end (after cutting the cue in half). Then you would have a very poor quality custom cue. I would not call it custom though, and not worth $85. Much better off spending a $100 on a Schmelke I think, unless the cue maker is going to build you a decent shaft for the Dufferin butt.
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That is correct.
The house cues' taper is too conical for most players.
I just me a conversion bar banger cue. But, with leather wrap. :wink:
Because, I can.
Left the dufferin logo and did not even install a butt plate.
Installed a joint collar though to avoid joint split.
I love it.

In the 90's when Dufferin and Valley house cues were abundant, cue makers would make sneakies in one day and sell them for cheaps. I remember paying some $175 for a Judd, Morris and Romero.

Now, those thick Dufferins and Valleys are gone . Used to see Al Romero at HT and he had boxes and boxes of cut down Valley house cues . Those days are gone.
 
JoeyInCali said:
That is correct.
The house cues' taper is too conical for most players.
I just me a conversion bar banger cue. But, with leather wrap. :wink:
Because, I can.
Left the dufferin logo and did not even install a butt plate.
Installed a joint collar though to avoid joint split.
I love it.

In the 90's when Dufferin and Valley house cues were abundant, cue makers would make sneakies in one day and sell them for cheaps. I remember paying some $175 for a Judd, Morris and Romero.

Now, those thick Dufferins and Valleys are gone . Used to see Al Romero at HT and he had boxes and boxes of cut down Valley house cues . Those days are gone.
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I loved the old Valley Supreme house cues from the 90's. They came with very nice long tapers. I think they were thin enough in the butt end, and had a long enough taper in the shaft, that you could make a 2 piece sneaky pete out of them (without the need for building a custom shaft from a blank), and I would be happy with one, I imagine. I would not be happy with most other house cues, if they were cut in half, and a custom shaft (with a decent pro taper) were not used in the custom shaft. I tried out a conical LD shaft once (I think it was the OB2), and hated it. Even that shaft would be way better then anything that came from the shaft part of most house cues that were ever made. The Valley Supreme house cues were the only ones that I could really enjoy myself, when shooting pool. I do not know if the ones made today are as good quality as the really great ones from the 90's. The owner of my original home town pool hall cared about providing good quality, nice playing house cues.
 
justinb386 said:
Okay, then that is bad news in my opinion. A 1 piece house cue maple leaf Dufferin cut in half to make a 2 piece cue. Not good quality. If you are a decent player, or want to become a decent player, then I would suggest not choosing that option. Better to get the Schmelke for just a little more money. Much much better (far better quality in my opinion). I am done now. Good luck in your search for a good quality true sneaky for under $200. I tried my best to help.
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Just stop Please.

If you don't know (which clearly you don't), why are you giving advice?

I've owned many SPs and have played with as many SPs as any seasoned veteran. Best value for the money for me was always The Huebler SP and I still own it. Best playing, most solid, envy of all? Dufferin SP.

But hey, if you ever want to become a good player, stay away from the Dufferin SP. Ar what point do you listen to advice???

Freddie
 
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