Question is whether the player has an option when he is snookered after a foul of asking the other player to play again, instead of taking a free ball which the Snooker Canada rules says "occurs". One of my fellow players thinks free ball is a choice and is not prescribed.
Snooker Canada rules question
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Scottish Open: John Higgins stuns Judd Trump to reach final
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/snooker/38351800
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" Fu, who has made 10 centuries and 15 more breaks over 50 on his way to the final, beat China's world number 59 Yu Delu 6-1.
The 38-year-old made breaks of 72 and 73 to move into a 3-0 lead and after Delu pulled a frame back, rattled in further breaks of 100, 130 and 87 to surge into the final.
The world number 14 will be aiming for his third ranking title - his first since the 2013 Australia Open - in his seventh ranking final. Fu beat Ronnie O'Sullivan to win the Grand Prix in Aberdeen in 2007, his first ranking title.
He has won eight of his 14 previous meetings with Higgins, who will be aiming to win a 29th ranking title to move him clear of O'Sullivan and Steve Davis (both 28) into second place overall behind Stephen Hendry (36). "
Higgins fightback stuns Trump :
http://www.sportinglife.com/snooker...-open-john-higgins-fightback-stuns-judd-trump
To say Marco Fu has played well is a bit of an understatement.....:wink:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/snooker/38351800
Quote ,
" Fu, who has made 10 centuries and 15 more breaks over 50 on his way to the final, beat China's world number 59 Yu Delu 6-1.
The 38-year-old made breaks of 72 and 73 to move into a 3-0 lead and after Delu pulled a frame back, rattled in further breaks of 100, 130 and 87 to surge into the final.
The world number 14 will be aiming for his third ranking title - his first since the 2013 Australia Open - in his seventh ranking final. Fu beat Ronnie O'Sullivan to win the Grand Prix in Aberdeen in 2007, his first ranking title.
He has won eight of his 14 previous meetings with Higgins, who will be aiming to win a 29th ranking title to move him clear of O'Sullivan and Steve Davis (both 28) into second place overall behind Stephen Hendry (36). "
Higgins fightback stuns Trump :
http://www.sportinglife.com/snooker...-open-john-higgins-fightback-stuns-judd-trump
To say Marco Fu has played well is a bit of an understatement.....:wink:
John Higgins vs Marco Fu: Scottish Open 2016 Final Preview - In-form duo vie for Glas
http://www.livesnooker.com/category...16-scottish-open-final-preview-20161217-0003/
http://www.livesnooker.com/category...16-scottish-open-final-preview-20161217-0003/
John Higgins V Marco Fu
Cuetracker Head-to-Head: John Higgins vs Marco Fu :
http://cuetracker.net/index.php/Head-to-Head/john-higgins/marco-fu
Betting Zone http://www.oddschecker.com/snooker/scottish-open :
Sunday 18th December 2016
13:00TV
Marco Fu (21/10)
John Higgins (4/9)
All Odds
Coral match odds : http://sports.coral.co.uk/snooker/coral-scottish-open/john-higgins-v-marco-fu-5596817.html :
John Higgins 2/5 Marco Fu 15/8
Coral correct frame score odds :
John Higgins 9-0 66/1 Marco Fu 9-0 400/1
John Higgins 9-1 22/1 Marco Fu 9-1 125/1
John Higgins 9-2 11/1 Marco Fu 9-2 55/1
John Higgins 9-3 8/1 Marco Fu 9-3 33/1
John Higgins 9-4 7/1 Marco Fu 9-4 22/1
John Higgins 9-5 13/2 Marco Fu 9-5 16/1
John Higgins 9-6 7/1 Marco Fu 9-6 14/1
John Higgins 9-7 8/1 Marco Fu 9-7 12/1
John Higgins 9-8 9/1 Marco Fu 9-8 11/1
If your having a bet , the best of luck ! :thumbup:
Streamlink :
http://cricfree.sc/watch/live/2016-coral-scottish-open-glasgow-live-streaming
Cuetracker Head-to-Head: John Higgins vs Marco Fu :
http://cuetracker.net/index.php/Head-to-Head/john-higgins/marco-fu
Betting Zone http://www.oddschecker.com/snooker/scottish-open :
Sunday 18th December 2016
13:00TV
Marco Fu (21/10)
John Higgins (4/9)
All Odds
Coral match odds : http://sports.coral.co.uk/snooker/coral-scottish-open/john-higgins-v-marco-fu-5596817.html :
John Higgins 2/5 Marco Fu 15/8
Coral correct frame score odds :
John Higgins 9-0 66/1 Marco Fu 9-0 400/1
John Higgins 9-1 22/1 Marco Fu 9-1 125/1
John Higgins 9-2 11/1 Marco Fu 9-2 55/1
John Higgins 9-3 8/1 Marco Fu 9-3 33/1
John Higgins 9-4 7/1 Marco Fu 9-4 22/1
John Higgins 9-5 13/2 Marco Fu 9-5 16/1
John Higgins 9-6 7/1 Marco Fu 9-6 14/1
John Higgins 9-7 8/1 Marco Fu 9-7 12/1
John Higgins 9-8 9/1 Marco Fu 9-8 11/1
If your having a bet , the best of luck ! :thumbup:
Streamlink :
http://cricfree.sc/watch/live/2016-coral-scottish-open-glasgow-live-streaming
Oops !
Right posts , wrong thread !
Thought it was a Scottish Open question and sent the post before I realised it the Final had started . Oh well , no harm done . :wink:
Right posts , wrong thread !
Thought it was a Scottish Open question and sent the post before I realised it the Final had started . Oh well , no harm done . :wink:
By the standard rules of snooker, the free ball is always a choice and if you have your opponent shoot again, he does not get a free ball.
Does Canada play by other than the standard rules? In the US there is a strange set of rules that has no free ball and all fouls are 7 points.
Just to clarify that, the WPBSA rules are very, very detailed and the Canadian rules are less so. I do not believe there are any inconsistencies between them. The snooker Canada rules, for example, do not define snookered and the WPBSA rules have to be consulted to find the definition.
I believe Snooker Canada follows the ibsf or wpbsa rules. In both instances the player has the choice. A snooker is defined as an inability to contact either edge of the 'on' ball. I'm not sure how it would be handled if you were partially snookered on the pack of reds though. That hasn't come up for me before.
If other reds are blocking you from cutting a red maximum in either direction....
...it is not a free ball.
I saw a man miss all the balls on the break once...the white ended below the D...
...the ref removed all the reds but the corner red to determine free ball or not...
...then he re-racked them.
The question was whether the pink ball or reds balls were the blocker.
I don't know if you are relatively new to the game or have been playing quite a long time so please don't be offended by what I say here. If you are new, you should get yourself very familiar with the BASIC game before you worry about some of the more complex rules such as Free Ball. If it is helpful, here is a link to a good, simple, one page write up of how to play the game:
http://www.rulesofsnooker.com/snooker-for-beginners.html
and your specific question is answered in the section labeled as "Foul rules: 2-, and 3-"
I also looked at the SnookerCanada website and, very strangely, they have their own page dedicated to what they term as "Snooker 101, Snooker--The Rules" but in fact, that page is really just SnookerCanada's synopsis of the REAL rules, kind of like the one page synopsis I linked above. I don' t know why SnookerCanada would have chosen to present the Rules this way; it seems very odd to me. As far as I can tell, SnookerCanada officially endorses the same Rules as virtually everyone else in the world. This is proven when you click on the link about their premier event, the Richler Cup where you will find the following:
"Terms & Conditions
The 2016 Richler Cup shall be held under the ultimate authority of Snooker Canada.
The tournament shall be played under the conditions approved by Snooker Canada and under the rules of the game as published by World Snooker.
"
and you notice the bold refers to the World Snooker (WPBSA) Rules which you can get straight from the horse's mouth here:
http://www.wpbsa.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/official-rules-of-the-game.pdf
About your specific question, the way to think of it is thus: anytime ANY foul is committed, the incoming striker always has what is commonly called the "usual options". That means with any foul, the new striker can ALWAYS just choose to play his shot as the balls have come to rest, or he can choose to put the fouling striker back in to play the shot as the balls have come to rest. (This means that the fouling striker must play whatever stroke the incoming striker would have had to play, i.e., say that the foul was committed when the fouling striker was playing at the Black ball. The incoming striker has the usual options of playing at a Red with the balls as they were left, or he can put the fouling striker back in to play at Red with the balls as they were left, NOT playing at the Black ball again.)
Sometimes, after a foul, the incoming striker may have additional OPTIONS (note that these are ALWAYS options....the incoming (non-fouling) striker always has a choice of some kind after his opponent committed a foul). IF the balls were left in such a way that the ball on (or balls on in the case of Reds) is "snookered" by the definition in the linked World Snooker Rules, then the incoming striker has that third OPTION of playing a Free Ball if he so chooses (but he doesn't have to....he can always just take that first "usual option" and play a normal shot if he wants).
And lastly, there is the case of Foul and a Miss. FAAM then offers an additional OPTION in certain circumstances. (I don't say "fourth option" because sometimes, you might have Free Ball but not FAAM, and sometimes you might have FAAM but not Free Ball, and sometimes you might have both Free Ball and FAAM along with the usual options.) But if you are truly a beginner, please do not bother with FAAM until you get much more familiar with the game because FAAM can get very complicated.
In fact, if you are really a beginner, I fear I may have confused you even more with this write up, but my main point is that what you find on the SnookerCanada website is NOT the proper Rules of Snooker, it is just kind of a general synopsis of the rules to help guide you.
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I've been playing snooker for over 50 years and have a pretty good understanding of the basic rules. No offence taken. I am now trying to make sure I understand the more complex rules like Free Ball and FAAM. Most of my play has been of the friendly kitchen variety but now we are starting a snooker league in the seniors community where I live and we are trying to develop a higher level of expertise in the rules. It won't exactly be world class competition but we have some better players. It's going to be competition so better to run the game properly. It's the only way to be fair to everyone. It may be that Snooker Canada did not do anybody any favours by 'paraphasing' or 'simplifying'. When I want more comprehensive guidance I go to the WPBSA rules. Thanks for your message. Much appreciated.
FAAM probably will not be useful in that situation. In pro tournaments they usually play that any failure to hit a ball on is a foul-and-a-miss, but if a 20-break player is confronted with a tight snooker, he might foul until the game is lost if FAAM is ruled the same way. On the other hand, if FAAM is not used, some sly players will make sure that their "Oops, I missed it" shot is safe.
Ahhh, so you know the game well and wish to improve knowledge of the Rules. You have a perfect resource available that you should take advantage of. Your fellow countryman (you are Canadian I assume), professional referee Jim Jack, maintains a fantastic website for EXACTLY this purpose. You would do well to explore his site and absorb the knowledge that he graciously shares.
http://www.rulesofsnooker.com
Good luck and Merry Christmas!
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Thanks for the clarification. I assumed you wouldn't be able to call a free ball, but wasn't sure about the wording of the ruling.
Snooker is such a finnicky game, but I wouldn't have it any other way!