I use a 10mm for snooker and a 12mm for pool and it seems to be a good balance.
snooker or pool?
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All i'm saying is you dont need a yank cue to play on a yank table and for those that prefer a one piece and a tip of 9 -9.5 as Ronnie does they'd do better with an 11mm one piece snooker cue than a typical 13mm seal clubber two piece with some paddys wifes nickers wrapped around the handle.
Certainly you don't HAVE to. I've played some very good pool using my snooker cue. That said, I feel infinitely more comfortable using my pool cue. I can do a whole lot more with it positionally.
I would think that the tip size what it is for reason. Not saying you can't get it done with a snooker cue on a pool table, just my preference.
All i'm saying is you dont need a yank cue to play on a yank table and for those that prefer a one piece and a tip of 9 -9.5 as Ronnie does they'd do better with an 11mm one piece snooker cue than a typical 13mm seal clubber two piece with some paddys wifes nickers wrapped around the handle.
[ ] Ronnie uses a one-piece
And then at least he'd lose with the right equipment.
I can certainly relate to that. My own cue was originally a 13, narrowed down to 10.5 and graciously adaptable to all cuesports.
Coming from Malaysia I have the privilage of having both tables side by side in the billiard hall and to change cues and play both at once 
. And most likely lose both as my brain will get stuck at some stage...
What many UK and US posters will find hard to understand is that many cueists in Asia play both games quite decently. National players of countries like Malaysia, Thailand, Philippines are very good at both.
Reyes was a SEA games gold medalist at snooker back in 1987 so he definately knows his way around a snooker table. Pagulayan played snooker at this year's SEA Games, Alcano was also on the team.
This is a bit of a silly question really. It's like asking is Karate or Tae-kwon-do better? Every art has it's pro and cons.
At recreational level I have to admit the average snooker player is better than the average pool player. When I come back to the pool table after snooker I sink end to end shots easily. Cut shots are an entirely different matter...
When a snooker player tries to snook me in pool by placing the cue ball behind something, watch his jaw drop when I hit a jump or masse. Try asking the snooker player to jump...
At higher levels it's different. That's why you have "pros". They're dedicated to their chosen games and rightfully good at it.
Anyway Jimmy White was in town last week. He can place the cue ball on a snoooker table better than anyone I know on a pool table. But he didn't win any pool title, did he?
At the end of the day, the main focus of any martial art is self defense. Master any 1 art well, you are a formidable enough fighter. In all cue sports is the point is to shoot in straight lines. If you can do that, you are good.
. And most likely lose both as my brain will get stuck at some stage... What many UK and US posters will find hard to understand is that many cueists in Asia play both games quite decently. National players of countries like Malaysia, Thailand, Philippines are very good at both.
Reyes was a SEA games gold medalist at snooker back in 1987 so he definately knows his way around a snooker table. Pagulayan played snooker at this year's SEA Games, Alcano was also on the team.
This is a bit of a silly question really. It's like asking is Karate or Tae-kwon-do better? Every art has it's pro and cons.
At recreational level I have to admit the average snooker player is better than the average pool player. When I come back to the pool table after snooker I sink end to end shots easily. Cut shots are an entirely different matter...
When a snooker player tries to snook me in pool by placing the cue ball behind something, watch his jaw drop when I hit a jump or masse. Try asking the snooker player to jump...
At higher levels it's different. That's why you have "pros". They're dedicated to their chosen games and rightfully good at it.
Anyway Jimmy White was in town last week. He can place the cue ball on a snoooker table better than anyone I know on a pool table. But he didn't win any pool title, did he?
At the end of the day, the main focus of any martial art is self defense. Master any 1 art well, you are a formidable enough fighter. In all cue sports is the point is to shoot in straight lines. If you can do that, you are good.
Heheheh,
Just to stir the pot a bit more:
http://balita.ph/2009/07/24/bscp-forms-dream-team-to-laos-seagames/
For the up coming 2009 SEA Games:
"Reyes is set to compete in the carom and English billiards events, where he will team up with Luat and Grandea in the carom."
Oh dear, oh dear. What are those games?! :grin:
Just to stir the pot a bit more:
http://balita.ph/2009/07/24/bscp-forms-dream-team-to-laos-seagames/
For the up coming 2009 SEA Games:
"Reyes is set to compete in the carom and English billiards events, where he will team up with Luat and Grandea in the carom."
Oh dear, oh dear. What are those games?! :grin:
In the Premier League last Thursday, Neil Robertson, who needed to win to have any hope of making the semi finals at the end of the month, in the last two frames, on the final colours:
Doubled the pink off the end rail
Doubled the respotted black off the end rail to win the tied frame
Doubled the black off the side rail to win the match
In the interview he mentioned that he had played a lot of 8 and 9 ball.
Doubled the pink off the end rail
Doubled the respotted black off the end rail to win the tied frame
Doubled the black off the side rail to win the match
In the interview he mentioned that he had played a lot of 8 and 9 ball.
You're not stirring the pot. This is great news!
Will this SEA Games competition be on TV? If so, I hope someone puts something on Youtube...
I don't know. I'll post up whatever I can find. It's in December.
The South East Asian (SEA) Games is the biggest event in these parts after the Asian Games. But you know it's still pretty small if a country like Laos can afford to host it...
The South East Asian (SEA) Games is the biggest event in these parts after the Asian Games. But you know it's still pretty small if a country like Laos can afford to host it...
the tool for the job
that's how i feel - and an 11and 1/ half for 3 cushion - you can hit a green from 90 yards with a 4 iron but the pitching wedge will get the cash
that's how i feel - and an 11and 1/ half for 3 cushion - you can hit a green from 90 yards with a 4 iron but the pitching wedge will get the cash
snooker workout
Couldn't workouts on snooker tables be incorporated into practice along with playing on pool tables varying in size, tightness of pockets, speed ...?
Couldn't workouts on snooker tables be incorporated into practice along with playing on pool tables varying in size, tightness of pockets, speed ...?
Sure. Since I don't play snooker much these days, perhaps some others (drsnooker, DKhan, Wity, Scaramouce,...) could tell you about switching between snooker and pool, how they practice, etc.
You might want to contact user JoeW (a psychologist) about the optimal time to spend on practicing if you want to progress in both snooker and pool. He has articles online here:
http://www.sunburstselect.com/PBReview/
For snooker you can practice "line-up", which is a simple routine:
http://www.snookergames.co.uk/practise.html
When I get time on a snooker table--quite rare these days--I'll usually do one or more of these drills:
1. Progressive stop shot drill. Shooting a red into a corner pocket. Increase distance from cue ball to red, and from red to pocket. Vary the speed of the shot, and try draw, drag-draw, and follow.
2. Three-rail speed check. Place the red close to the side pocket, place the cue near the center of the table. Make the red in the side using a 1/2-ball hit (then 1/4-ball, etc.) and send the cue ball three rails for position on the black. Optionally, place a dollar bill (or make a chalk mark) to choose a specific target spot for the cue ball.
3. Run the colored balls in order. Take ball in hand for the shot on yellow.
4. Practice just the break.
In addition it helps to practice shooting down the rail, banks (a.k.a. "doubles") long shots with and against the nap, and so on.
Snooker will do a lot for your pool game. If all you are interested in is improving your potting and not neccessarily learning the game, then you can simply practice line up and long potting.
Even A players with a good stroke will find out how much they have to improve in that area.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF4_MOBSLo0
Steve Davis taking on a reverse double at a critical moment in the 2010 World Snooker Championship. He commented afterwards that the better players are "more aggressive" in the later stages of a match. So he is playing a pool shot and talking poker terminology - so playing both of those games has changed his approach to the game of snooker.
Davis is the first to admit he lacks much of the tactical awareness needed to master 9 ball pool and he couldn't play a jump shot if his life depended on it. He's taken some big scalps and reached the last 8 in the 9 ball world championship but has never won a major pool tournament. Likewise, Reyes can hit successive monster breaks in snooker, but pitch him against the top snooker pros in successive rounds in (race to 10, 13, 13, 17, 18), where they will outplay him tactically and he'll be lost. Alex Pagulayan is yet to surface in a professional snooker tournament despite the fact that he's been practising hard the last few years.
Two great games - pool is more of a leveller between talented and untalented cueists in a short race, hence the need to "take on" a wider range of shots to succeed long term. Pool is certainly easier to play with a few beers and the non-Bill-Werbenuiks amongst us would struggle to play snooker reasonably well after big night out, but this does not make it an easier game to master.
As an afterthought, I've met many very talented players who seem to completely unaware that it is possible to "throw" the ball in pool and it is these small edge accumulated that make the difference between the really good and the really really good players.
Steve Davis taking on a reverse double at a critical moment in the 2010 World Snooker Championship. He commented afterwards that the better players are "more aggressive" in the later stages of a match. So he is playing a pool shot and talking poker terminology - so playing both of those games has changed his approach to the game of snooker.
Davis is the first to admit he lacks much of the tactical awareness needed to master 9 ball pool and he couldn't play a jump shot if his life depended on it. He's taken some big scalps and reached the last 8 in the 9 ball world championship but has never won a major pool tournament. Likewise, Reyes can hit successive monster breaks in snooker, but pitch him against the top snooker pros in successive rounds in (race to 10, 13, 13, 17, 18), where they will outplay him tactically and he'll be lost. Alex Pagulayan is yet to surface in a professional snooker tournament despite the fact that he's been practising hard the last few years.
Two great games - pool is more of a leveller between talented and untalented cueists in a short race, hence the need to "take on" a wider range of shots to succeed long term. Pool is certainly easier to play with a few beers and the non-Bill-Werbenuiks amongst us would struggle to play snooker reasonably well after big night out, but this does not make it an easier game to master.
As an afterthought, I've met many very talented players who seem to completely unaware that it is possible to "throw" the ball in pool and it is these small edge accumulated that make the difference between the really good and the really really good players.
The fact is snooker requires alot more skill than pool. The ability to be able to compile breaks of 50+ in snooker is a real challenge. Pool is a fantastic game aswell but more of a social game. Dont get me wrong you still need skill in pool but the mere fact the table is generally bigger for snooker means it is alot tougher for potting and positioning the cue ball.
gilbis
http://www.snookercoaching.limewebs.com/
gilbis
http://www.snookercoaching.limewebs.com/
Gilbis, I disagree. Snooker has been my favorite cue game but that doesn't prevent me from seeing the tight clusters that often develop on small pool tables where more than a bit of finesse in position play is required.
My own talents at snooker never quite fully translated to equal talents on a pool table, though I was certainly no slouch at pool games.
The one thing I'm certain of is that bar tables SUCK!
My own talents at snooker never quite fully translated to equal talents on a pool table, though I was certainly no slouch at pool games.
The one thing I'm certain of is that bar tables SUCK!
Not true at all. Certainly it's more difficult to pot a single ball in snooker than pool, but if you want play to the standard of even a shortstop pool player it's not so cut and dry as the table is smaller therefore easier.
I'll agree that when the table is breaking easy 9 ball isn't the toughest game in the world, in fact it can be very easy under such circumstances. But when it comes to 14.1, that game is every bit as challenging as snooker. The average shot is very easy, but the amount of consistency and control required to average 35 balls per scoring inning (roughly the average of a top player) is monumental.
Lets not forget one pocket either.