Snooker Professional turns to Pool
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it should look something like this piece of workhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y12sL1oR2s
is there betting on the mosconi cup this year?
Tea... now spat all over my laptop you b@@$%$d
Attempted is the operative word, for example, I might get caught discussing murdering my piece of shit evil lying turd scum ex wife - but actually murdering her is a different thing..
Murder cheaper than the lawyers mind...
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He will not be allowed to enter any events that come under the WPA. They come under the umbrella of the World Confederation of Billiard Sports. These have a policy of supporting each others decisions on matters such as these. So he will not be playing snooker, billiards, pool or carom while his ban lasts.
He cannot join the English Pool Federation and would not be able to play on the EPBF's Euro Tour.
He cannot travel to the US to play in the WPA sanctioned US 9 Ball Open or The Ultimate 10 Ball.
Last July he won a 9 Ball tournament in Ireland and but promoter Ronnie Boyle would probably need to reject a request for him to defend that title.
He cannot join the English Pool Federation and would not be able to play on the EPBF's Euro Tour.
He cannot travel to the US to play in the WPA sanctioned US 9 Ball Open or The Ultimate 10 Ball.
Last July he won a 9 Ball tournament in Ireland and but promoter Ronnie Boyle would probably need to reject a request for him to defend that title.
I guess if I were him I'd be checking all the bylaws of all those organizations. I understand the idea that if you are banned in one discipline then the other disciplines don't necessarily want you but I am not sure if that's legal.
There is in the USA at least laws on the books which prevent restraint of trade. I would bet a court would not allow a ban from one organization to be taken up by all organizations. Kind of like when Quinten Hann was barred from snooker and jumped to pool. I don't remember any outcry over that but it was a long time ago so perhaps there was.
Anyway my suggestion is to make your bylaws specifically address this or you might find yourself in court over it.
Plenty of events about that are not "sanctioned" by the WPA, for example, the recent 14.1 "world" championships..
Yes John your logic would apply if he was banned by one cuesport organisation and was then banned from being a professional golfer or a professional pie eater. These are entirely different trades that would be restrained.
But the WPA and the WPBSA are both members of the Confederation of Billiard Sports so some solidarity could be expected.
However, it would be helpful if people were made aware of the detailed circumstance of how they convicted him and why the sentence was so severe. i think that it would would need 100% foolproof evidence to hand out that punishment
Well, it can't have been 100% fool proof. Criminal charges were dropped due to an inability to meet the burden of proof in a criminal court. In civil court, the burden is only "on a balance of probabilities", in other words there is still room for doubt.
In the various articles the tribunal chairman has indicated he does not believe Stephen Lee to be the architect of these incidents, rather someone who was taken advantage of. And it apparently wasn't proven that Lee ever deliberately lost a match that he was able to win. Instead, he conspired to affect certain frames for betting purposes. For example against Mark King he was confident enough of winning that he deliberately dropped the first frame, but still went on to win the match. That said, it was cited that Ryan Day beat him by a prearranged score. But perhaps that was never fully proven.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/snooker/24270974 - some the info I mentioned is towards the bottom.
Given the lesser burden of proof, I think a cue sport wide ban would be a little draconian. Coming to pool, he can not maintain the same level of income had he been playing snooker, so it's not like he's skirting any sort of punishment by playing professional pool events. Last year he won £70,000 ($112,000) for his victory at PTC Grand Finals. Shane Van Boening or Dennis Orcullo hasn't won that much in 2013 after almost a full year of competition, let alone one tournament.
My call would be to let him play in pool events, but put him under heavy scrutiny with a zero tolerance policy. Any inkling of dumping, match fixing or even splitting the finals and he's out.
Too bad all of this has overshadowed the fact that we just had the first ever all Chinese final in Shanghai.
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And all this just goes to underscore the issues surrounding betting on sports like pool and boxing where one person can so dramatically affect the outcome.
People say pool needs sports betting. I don't know. What I do know is if you are going to do this shit you had better have a rock solid way to keep yourself distanced from it.
As a hobby I try to think like a criminal mastermind all the time and figure out how I would commit crimes and get away with them. Probably comes from reading mom's true crime books as a kid. Anyway all schemes usually break down the moment a second person is involved.
People say pool needs sports betting. I don't know. What I do know is if you are going to do this shit you had better have a rock solid way to keep yourself distanced from it.
As a hobby I try to think like a criminal mastermind all the time and figure out how I would commit crimes and get away with them. Probably comes from reading mom's true crime books as a kid. Anyway all schemes usually break down the moment a second person is involved.
Pathetic Shark
Banned
Exactly, with my low intellect i don't make it far even as a fantasy criminal. Any murder committed by me will be an impulsive crime of passion rather than a meticulous well thought out plan to make someone disappear.
I do not think that the indefinite disappearance of the "corpus delicti" is the necessary part of a perfect crime. How about playing a little with illusions and delusions
it was a police investigation first. unusual betting patterns because betting it legal in the Uk they go to William Hill per say and they'll be a bunch of small bets or large ones on unusual things liek stephen lee vs ryan day, lee to in the match but to lose the first frame. You would not get great odds on him winning the match as he better player but it is liek betting on single racks in pool they are much harder to predict. They payout more. Adiotnally they do not need hard evidence it is not a court they ned a popendernace of evidence i.e his wifes bank statements getting random payouts etc. he got greedy that is all.