So I Joined the APA.. BIG Mistake

Double-Dave said:
Sometimes the douchebag-edness of a person simply takes you by suprise. Happens in all sports to some degree.

At the end of the day you go home being a decent competitor and the other guy goes home being a douchebag.
Guess who's the winner in life? He's the one with problems, not you.

gr. Dave
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Agreed. The sheer awesome douchebaggedry of some people will take you by surprise -- so much so, that you gasp as if you had the wind knocked out of you. This is a case of such awesome douchebaggedry -- of Captain Tom Tao of Team 999. The fact that he's doing to SkyscraperChris specifically because it was done to him -- as a negative reciprocal way of "paying it forward" -- just speaks volumes of the "legacy" of the APA.

Sure, rules are not meant to be broken, but there's also the notion of being a sporting competitor and gentleman. A brief "are you sure about that? You're going to go over 23 with that pick..." would've left him with a much better feeling about himself, than the way he had to tuck tail out of the place.

Anyway, the APA will be the APA (the members of an organization *do* make the organization), and it's not for everyone.

-Sean
 
You said that you've made some new friends.

I played in a league for a while, mostly substituting on my father's team when someone couldnt make it (which happened a lot). I didn't like that the league had it's share of Aholes and a lot of people that were only there to bang balls around and get drunk.

So i got the numbers of the guys i liked playing against, quit the league and now have enough partners that i enjoy playing with to go shoot 2-3 times a week.
 
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Its unfortunate that this stuff happens but its hardly the APA at fault. I think people take this too serious, I simply go play and hope I win my match. I stay out of the politics. You might want to try NAPA they seem to be a bit better on the silly rules that I think ruin most of APA.
 
I would like to add this non sense has never occurred in the ACS that I've seen. I think because of the APA rules that are different from "most" other organizations, and their evaluation system adds to the problems.

Does not mean we don't have a few dbags, but there is very little in way of rules and stuff they can demand forfeits.... plus our LO rules on the side of sportsmanship and common sense regardless of what the rule book says....
 
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Get some of your buds together and start your own league! Seriously, we have 18 somewhat equally matched players and play an enjoyable 16 week league. At the end, everyone gets a Ben Franklin back.
 
Sorry to hear that you're letting one bad experience ruin something for you. Douchebags happen, whether in pool or real life. Thankfully, in spite of what threads on AZ may lead you to believe, the D-bags in league are a minority.
 
I have to take exception to the earlier posts about "you broke the rule", therefore everything is your fault, unless you INTENTIONALLY tried to go over the 23 rule and get away with it. Not paying attention to skill level when you are having a fun night happens sometimes. The comments about the other captain being a "douchebag" are completely accurate. I consider myself fortunate that our league is much more friendly and more sportsmanlike than that.

Lastly, have a talk to the LO again. Someone posted the rules very clearly, and as I interpret them, it is only the match where the infraction occurred, and any subsequent matches that are forfeited.

I hope you get this resolved well, as the APA needs more teams like yours, and less like the douchebag.
 
jeffj2h said:
You received zero points for the entire night?

Looking in the 2014 APA Official Team Manual, page 65 seems to say you forfeit only the 5th match, not the entire night.

"The overall team skill limit rule is 23. If the 23-Rule is broken, the offending team would receive zero points for that League match. The nonoffending team would receive all points they won plus 15 points for the match in which the 23-Rule was broken and any subsequent matches."

Here's an interesting statement on page 24:
"Where new teams or new divisions are involved, there shall be some leniency. You joined to play—not to receive forfeits."
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What does "for that league match" mean? I could read that as being the overall match or the specific match that caused the offending team to go over 23. Viewed in full context, it seems to mean the whole team match is awarded 0 points, and I've always understood the rule to be that the whole team gets zero points. I've also never seen that come up in 20 years of league play.

And yes, it does seem like overkill. BUT the rules are general and have to encompass all scenarios. For example, what if you go over, but don't have a 2 on your roster? Then you shouldn't have been able to play the 4th match as you did, so the right outcome in that case is to impose two forfeits.

Whatever the rule, I can't imagine taking more than the forfeit for the individual match. And most teams I know in the APA wouldn't do that.

Cory
 
Definitely agree with Ty Arnold. Leave the leagues for the league players. They are designed for a good shooter to be frustrated.
 
sfleinen said:
Agreed. The sheer awesome douchebaggedry of some people will take you by surprise -- so much so, that you gasp as if you had the wind knocked out of you. This is a case of such awesome douchebaggedry -- of Captain Tom Tao of Team 999. The fact that he's doing to SkyscraperChris specifically because it was done to him -- as a negative reciprocal way of "paying it forward" -- just speaks volumes of the "legacy" of the APA.

Sure, rules are not meant to be broken, but there's also the notion of being a sporting competitor and gentleman. A brief "are you sure about that? You're going to go over 23 with that pick..." would've left him with a much better feeling about himself, than the way he had to tuck tail out of the place.

Anyway, the APA will be the APA (the members of an organization *do* make the organization), and it's not for everyone.

-Sean
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All of this is true.

The people of my APA division are pretty good people, for the most part. These members of the organization are "part of the organization", too....

I dislike the rule, and have seen it come into play once. The primary two people from that team are generally shunned nowadays, and have since mellowed somewhat and have cut back on their douchebaggery.

Still...the single biggest issue with the APA is the 23 rule. EVERYBODY knows it is the primary requirement. It sucks that it went down this way for Chris, and I wouldn't call him on it were he playing my team, but the rule is in place to make sure that you don't do this. We can argue about the severity till the cows come home, but it is plain and simple, cut and dried. Play 23 points or less...

Damned shame.
 
justadub said:
All of this is true.

The people of my APA division are pretty good people, for the most part. These members of the organization are "part of the organization", too....

I dislike the rule, and have seen it come into play once. The primary two people from that team are generally shunned nowadays, and have since mellowed somewhat and have cut back on their douchebaggery.

Still...the single biggest issue with the APA is the 23 rule. EVERYBODY knows it is the primary requirement. It sucks that it went down this way for Chris, and I wouldn't call him on it were he playing my team, but the rule is in place to make sure that you don't do this. We can argue about the severity till the cows come home, but it is plain and simple, cut and dried. Play 23 points or less...

Damned shame.
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What he said.
 
jmarcum1984 said:
I have to take exception to the earlier posts about "you broke the rule", therefore everything is your fault, unless you INTENTIONALLY tried to go over the 23 rule and get away with it. Not paying attention to skill level when you are having a fun night happens sometimes. The comments about the other captain being a "douchebag" are completely accurate. I consider myself fortunate that our league is much more friendly and more sportsmanlike than that.

Lastly, have a talk to the LO again. Someone posted the rules very clearly, and as I interpret them, it is only the match where the infraction occurred, and any subsequent matches that are forfeited.

I hope you get this resolved well, as the APA needs more teams like yours, and less like the douchebag.
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I agree.. There isn't a team in our league that would do that.
 
So what IS the rule? Do you forfeit the entire night or just the one offending match? Seems like the latter is more reasonable.
 
oneballeddie said:
So what IS the rule? Do you forfeit the entire night or just the one offending match? Seems like the latter is more reasonable.
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Technically, the rule is correct as it was applied. As I said earlier, it's happened here. Once.

I agree that the latter is more reasonable. I can't tell you why it is written the way it is, nor can I even make a reasonable guess, but I assume there has to be a reason. No doubt at some point in the past, some folks were abusing the prior system in some way. Again, from the smaller minority of the douchbaggery club.
 
You joined the APA, big mistake apparently, and at the same time I quit the APA, which was also a big mistake.
Now I'm sitting home on Friday nights, when I could of been at the Holiday Bowl jabbing myself in the eye with a fork, as I try to keep my team under that stupid 23-point ceiling.
The best thing about the APA is the girls , because it is easy to meet women in the APA.
League pool in general blows, not just the APA, which is why I quit all four of my teams.
Non-sanctioned in-house leagues in pool halls (not bars) seem to be the most fun, and is a good way for room owners to make a buck.
 
Yes, you made a mistake by joining the APA.

You thought you could make it fun all the time. It is not.

Regardless though, as others have said, this is not the APA's fault and as much of a jackass as the other teams captain seems, it is not his fault either. There are a lot of teams that would just tell you and allow you to change your player... with that said, there are a lot of teams that follow that asinine rule book and no every little absurd nuance in it (this not being one of them though, it's a pretty common rule) and use that against the other team.

TL:DR... Yes, joining the APA was a mistake, but not for the reasons you cited. You made the error, not the APA, and the other team was able to capitalize.
 
Why would anyone want to take a simple game like pool and "lawyer it up" with all kinds of rules and complicated scorings?

I'll never join a league. Life's too short (especially at my age!).
 
chris.... i recall when you started that thread about you were gonna join the apa although you did not like the league. i thought it was pretty cool that you were gonna give the league a chance despite your apparent dislike of it.

according to your last post in that thread and most of what you posted in this thread..... every thing was going pretty smooth...until you met this one person. this one person who took advantage of a rule you broke.

it seemed like you and your team was enjoying your selves kicking this other teams ass ...until you made a mistake . now you wanna take your marbles and go home because he did not agree to over look the rule you broke.

thats very uncool chris. you also tried to get his team to turn against him. that is not cool either.

with all that said let me state that i have overlooked that rule several times during regular session. it even cost me a loss the last night of regular session knocking me out of play offs and let the other team gain 1st place and getting an auto berth in the ltc's. this was in 9 ball.

how ever i did use that rule to my advantage in my 8 ball ltc's when the opposing captain went over the 23 rule.

if every one quit a league every time they encountered an ass hole ......well only ass holes would be playing in it.

using your logic... i guess every one in nashville should have quit bcapl the night one of their players pissed in one of the pockets because he was upset he lost.

maybe i should quit the shriners because i met an asshole.

maybe i should never go to the vfw again because i met an asshole.

maybe i should quit this forum because some act like real assholes on here..

well ...you get the picture.:grin-square:
 
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