So what was your fargo rating (or your pool idols ranking) in your "prime" if playing today ?

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I'd be very curious to hear billy incardona and jay and other old timers (like me)try to estimate what old time players in their Prime would score today's Fargo enviroment against today's players....Example a nick Varner at age 35 , mark tad at age 25 , Keith age 19 , ECT ect.....Jay , billy , what would you personally best days be rated now? I know cloth , rules , everything different . But I believe a dozen old pros would have adapted everything and be 800+......Luther Lasseter 800+ ? Buddy hall 800+ ? ......Jay helfert ?billy Incardona ?(I believe these 2 best handicappers knowledge ever or close to it) AZ members give some examples please !.....
 
I haven’t been around too long 38 years.

The changes in equipment had been pretty drastic since I started out. Cues are better, balls are rounder, tips(according to marketing departments have improved).

It’s hard for me to say if the top guys are stronger then or now. I’m 55 seen lots of RIP champions and the young guys today.

It’s a different game, the rack, the free lessons and information that was impossible to get unless you stepped up back in the day, has changed pool so much.

It’s apples and oranges. I believe the guys who were the best in their era if alive today would still be the same top guys.


Tyson or Ali we will never know.

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Fatboy <———glad I was around to see some of the real old legends and lucky to know guys like Jay, Billy who both have told me some amazing stories. Sigal has told me some amazing stories too. Bob Jewett has also been a huge part of pools history. I hope he answers the OP
 
This is a good question. One thing to note is that Fargo ratings are not indicators of skill, but of win rate over other players. That means an 800 Fargo in 1970 doesn't mean they're the same skill level as an 800 Fargo in 2022. It just means that the player in 1970 was equally as dominant over other players during that time period.

It makes me wonder what a prime Irving Crane, Willie Mosconi, Efren Reyes, Earl Strickland would've been rated.
 
Back in the day before retiring, I was in Northern California.

Do not recall any handicapping system, local tournaments did not payout big bucks.

They were open, no handicapping.
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
Back in the day before retiring, I was in Northern California.

Do not recall any handicapping system, local tournaments did not payout big bucks.

They were open, no handicapping.
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When I lived in Northern California, the USPPA was all over the place holding handicap tournaments.
 
My rating would be very low 700’s. I’m not all that far from it now and I’m not playing a lot.
 
i played the "6" better in my prime than i do now, however, i bank and play 1P better now

although physically as strong my break playing rotation games and 8B is much weaker
 
💡💡 So I play with a guy, his "Fargo" is 603 and his "Robustness" is 214.. If I'm off at at all he'll beat me, but I'm better primarily due to my defensive ability. In ONE POCKET I can spot him 9-7 all day 10-6 would be tight 😂😂 P.S. I DON'T HAVE A FARGO 😉
 
Jay 675 nine ball but banking was his best game could hang second tier pros billy Incardonaifyouaskhis nine ball ranking he might sell him self short (future action Pittsburg guy) maybe 750+nine ball well never know his true one pocket number past or present(that's compliment!!) Danny d I'd be curious
 
Oldandtired said:
I'd be very curious to hear billy incardona and jay and other old timers (like me)try to estimate what old time players in their Prime would score today's Fargo enviroment against today's players....Example a nick Varner at age 35 , mark tad at age 25 , Keith age 19 , ECT ect.....Jay , billy , what would you personally best days be rated now? I know cloth , rules , everything different . But I believe a dozen old pros would have adapted everything and be 800+......Luther Lasseter 800+ ? Buddy hall 800+ ? ......Jay helfert ?billy Incardona ?(I believe these 2 best handicappers knowledge ever or close to it) AZ members give some examples please !.....
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The top guys based on tournament performance would be in the 800s because that is simply the top player rating. So no matter what era, the top 10 or so in the world at any point in time would be in the 800 range. Since everyone pretty much agrees that there are more good players now than there were, there would be less 800 rated players a few decades ago, but Sigel, Archer, Reyes, Strickland, Hall, Varner, they would be in the 800s.

Now if we try to figure out if you time traveled the old players to modern tournaments if they would still beat the players now that are rated 800, maybe, likely, possibly. Of course the real comparison would be what if all the best players from 100 years all grew up at the same time playing on the same equipment. They are likely to all be rated in the 800s, but that is all guessing, like trying to figure out exactly how life started. Without a time machine and finding an exact moment in time to look at, no way to know some things.
 
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Oldandtired said:
I'd be very curious to hear billy incardona and jay and other old timers (like me)try to estimate what old time players in their Prime would score today's Fargo enviroment against today's players....Example a nick Varner at age 35 , mark tad at age 25 , Keith age 19 , ECT ect.....Jay , billy , what would you personally best days be rated now? I know cloth , rules , everything different . But I believe a dozen old pros would have adapted everything and be 800+......Luther Lasseter 800+ ? Buddy hall 800+ ? ......Jay helfert ?billy Incardona ?(I believe these 2 best handicappers knowledge ever or close to it) AZ members give some examples please !.....
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I watched Buddy gambling here in Tulsa around '80-'81. They played for three days(warfare days) and Buddy missed roughly five makeable balls the entire time. Fargorate that shit!! Truly incredible pool.
 
garczar said:
I watched Buddy gambling here in Tulsa around '80-'81. They played for three days(warfare days) and Buddy missed roughly five makeable balls the entire time. Fargorate that shit!! Truly incredible pool.
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That would be TPA, the AccuStats rating system that tracks ball to ball (game to game) performance. Fargo tracks wins over time so it's more of a long term statistical rating than how one actually plays on a given day.
 
hang-the-9 said:
That would be TPA, the AccuStats rating system that tracks ball to ball (game to game) performance. Fargo tracks wins over time so it's more of a long term statistical rating than how one actually plays on a given day.
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yeah, good point. well, his tpa for the three days were easily 890+ the whole time. some stretches were 950+ like when he broke and ran the set a couple times. tuff to fade 1.00 tpa's.
 
garczar said:
yeah, good point. well, his tpa for the three days were easily 890+ the whole time. some stretches were 950+ like when he broke and ran the set a couple times. tuff to fade 1.00 tpa's.
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Yep, it's tough to beat a .900 average, all the commentators stated that .900 average over an event wins tournaments.
 
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