soft layered tip

rackem8

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What brand is a good soft layered tip to use? Is it true that you get more feel using a softer tip? Any thoughts on using different hardness of tips? :o
 
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For a soft layered tip if you want really soft go with a Tiger Soft. If medium soft is your desire get a Sniper or Soft Kamui. You get a different feel with a softer tip. It is up to the player to decide if that is more feel. Every one has a feel they like and it differs with various players. To answer your question on different hardness tips. You could have about five different cues with different tips and they would all come in handy for various shots in a match.
Super hard for jumping. Very hard for breaking. Hard and almost flat for long straight in shots. Medium for normal play. Soft for spinning off rail shots. And a medium on a high action ferrule for tough long draw shots. I guess that is five hardnesses of tips on six cues.
 
I want the cue to hit crisply so I feel vibration in my hand. When I hit with a soft tip it absorbs the energy created by the collison of the tip and the cb and I don't get to feel it. It feels mushy instead of crisply... like the difference between corn flakes when they are dry and when they are soaked with milk. (silly analogy but the only one that came to mind)

That's this amatuer players take on it. :groucho:
 
I would also put the Tiger Everest in the soft to med-soft range for laminated tips. Also note that most soft tips firm up over time as they become compacted, and most also require more maintenance than their medium and hard counterparts (although I have really not found that to be the case with the Everest.) Soft tips = more spin, but less vibration as Jim said above. Mueller assigns their own hardness ranking to the tips that they carry, so if you go to their site and click on each tip, you can read their hardness in the description. It may not be perfectly accurate, but it's a place to start.
Mr H
 
Mr Hoppe said:
I would also put the Tiger Everest in the soft to med-soft range for laminated tips. Also note that most soft tips firm up over time as they become compacted, and most also require more maintenance than their medium and hard counterparts (although I have really not found that to be the case with the Everest.) Soft tips = more spin, but less vibration as Jim said above. Mueller assigns their own hardness ranking to the tips that they carry, so if you go to their site and click on each tip, you can read their hardness in the description. It may not be perfectly accurate, but it's a place to start.
Mr H

I was under the assumption that one of the observations that Bob Jewett and others determined in the Jacksonville Experiments was that harder tips actually imparted more spin than soft tips if all other criteria is the same. Am I wrong?

Dick
 
cueman said:
For a soft layered tip if you want really soft go with a Tiger Soft. If medium soft is your desire get a Sniper or Soft Kamui. You get a different feel with a softer tip. It is up to the player to decide if that is more feel. Every one has a feel they like and it differs with various players. To answer your question on different hardness tips. You could have about five different cues with different tips and they would all come in handy for various shots in a match.
Super hard for jumping. Very hard for breaking. Hard and almost flat for long straight in shots. Medium for normal play. Soft for spinning off rail shots. And a medium on a high action ferrule for tough long draw shots. I guess that is five hardnesses of tips on six cues.

Cueman, what do you mean by "a high action ferrule"? Does it compress or flex (deform somehow)?
 
shankster8 said:
Cueman, what do you mean by "a high action ferrule"? Does it compress or flex (deform somehow)?
High Action ferrules compress and spring back instantly giving more cue ball action. Really soft ferrules do not do it and really hard ferrules do not do it either. But a few plastic ferrules have the right amount of spring to increase cue ball action. Meucci has used them for years.
 
rhncue said:
I was under the assumption that one of the observations that Bob Jewett and others determined in the Jacksonville Experiments was that harder tips actually imparted more spin than soft tips if all other criteria is the same. Am I wrong?

Dick
With a half tip to one tip of English I would tend to agree with that. But on extreme off-center English for spinning off the rail shots I think the soft tip will allow you to get more without miscuing.
 
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rhncue said:
I was under the assumption that one of the observations that Bob Jewett and others determined in the Jacksonville Experiments was that harder tips actually imparted more spin than soft tips if all other criteria is the same. Am I wrong?

Dick

I asked Bob myself, and he said this is not the case. A soft tip will indeed produce more spin than a hard tip, especially on extremely off-center hits.
Mr H
 
High action ferrule

cueman said:
High Action ferrules compress and spring back instantly giving more cue ball action. Really soft ferrules do not do it and really hard ferrules do not do it either. But a few plastic ferrules have the right amount of spring to increase cue ball action. Meucci has used them for years.

Thanks cueman! Do you recall the names of some of the ferrule materials that fall into the high action category. Does Predator's Titan fit that category, for example?
 
shankster8 said:
Thanks cueman! Do you recall the names of some of the ferrule materials that fall into the high action category. Does Predator's Titan fit that category, for example?
ABS is one material that falls into that category. I have not played with the Titan, but it sure cuts soft, so it might fall into the High Action category. Some plastics are too soft and give a real mushy springy feel that does not help the draw shot at all. But those that fall right in the middle will increase cue ball spin. Although I have made ferrules out of Titan material I have not put it on one of my cues.
 
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