some random league musings
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I see Chris' point but as others have pointed out, it'll just make things worse.
The APA's got a process in place for this exact situation.
If you don't stick to that process, you can be penalized with a foul even though you're in the right. You can try just scooping up the cue ball and then acting baffled when they complain... "what are you talking about? That was OBVIOUSLY a bad hit"... and there's a 50/50 chance he'll back down.
But if he doesn't, you are worse off than if you had just reported him.
I guess you could also give him a taste of his own medicine by claiming all your near-misses were good hits... then citing the "observer rule". But I'd rather beat the guy honestly even if I have to let the occasional BS call slide.
The APA's got a process in place for this exact situation.
If you don't stick to that process, you can be penalized with a foul even though you're in the right. You can try just scooping up the cue ball and then acting baffled when they complain... "what are you talking about? That was OBVIOUSLY a bad hit"... and there's a 50/50 chance he'll back down.
But if he doesn't, you are worse off than if you had just reported him.
I guess you could also give him a taste of his own medicine by claiming all your near-misses were good hits... then citing the "observer rule". But I'd rather beat the guy honestly even if I have to let the occasional BS call slide.
ChrisBanks
Banned
Creedo, you're right. That is the second part to the response. Once your opponent has tried to cheat you, simply stall the game, claim every shot he takes is a foul. Never admit to any foul. And the set will take so long and will be so boring that he will never try to pull that move again.
Seriously a APA match isn't something you should let yourself get all worked up for. If this comes up just state your aurgument about why it was a foul and move on. If you believe they are cheating have somebody watch more of that persons shots and submit a complaint to APA.
In no way should you lie or cheat because of something like this. First off maybe they just didn't see the foul and they honestly thought it was legal. Second, if you claim a foul to be a good hit because of this you are just as guilty as the other person.
ChrisBanks
Banned
What I really wanted to get across was a method to get people to stop cheating on their fouls. Do the same thing back to them, only 10 times as worse. And that should be the end of the cheating on their part.
ChrisBanks
Banned
Remember the TAR match with Earl and Shane race to 100?
They had the table tapped, and Earl was giving Shane a good rack every time. Yet Shane would walk up to the rack and adjust the balls slightly himself.
So Earl yelled out that if Shane was going to do that to the rack every time, then Earl would stand there and check that Shane's cueball was not over the line.
In a few instances he stopped Shane just as he was ready to break.
That's what I'm talking about. Evening things out.
They had the table tapped, and Earl was giving Shane a good rack every time. Yet Shane would walk up to the rack and adjust the balls slightly himself.
So Earl yelled out that if Shane was going to do that to the rack every time, then Earl would stand there and check that Shane's cueball was not over the line.
In a few instances he stopped Shane just as he was ready to break.
That's what I'm talking about. Evening things out.
Sorry I guess I just have too much integrity to do that. I will not sink down to the level of being a cheater. We can agree to disagree on this.
ChrisBanks
Banned
The intention is not to cheat, the intention is to get them to stop cheating.
I don't care what your intention is. If you cheat you are a cheater. Your opinion is that you need to cheat to teach that person a lesson. Thats is your opinion and I won't try and change it but that doesn't mean I agree.
ChrisBanks
Banned
What I am getting at is to make a mockery of his cheating. Call a foul on him for no reason. Try shooting again even though you missed, claiming you made a ball that had fallen on a previous shot. He will get the idea after a while, and that will be the end of the cheating.
I remember the time a APA super 7 told the guy that HE had a bad hit, HE DENIED THE OBVIOUS !
Player told him you want it that bad here take it!
With that ,took his cue and scattered the balls and walked away disgusted!
end of story point made!
Wow he was really mature. I am glad I do not play in a league where people scatter the balls when they dont there way.
He who he he hwhat?
It's hard to tell who's who in the story. The 7 told some other player (we'll call him bob) that bob made a bad hit? Bob denied it, so the 7 got mad and swept the balls?
I guess he made his point, if his point is "by cheating, you can frustrate me into conceding the match and get an easy win"
i just got in from league tonight and read all of you guysposts. some ptrtty interesting posts and viewpoints by you guys and a couple posts that i would rather ignore.
for the most part my experience in apa has been rather uneventful and perhaps even boring compared to the horror stories some of you guys have posted on here, you know, sandbaggers, assholes, and drunks, etc.
that is why i started this thread , last sun night was unusaul in having someone deny obvious fouls and throw the apa rule about the call goes to the shooter , not once but twice in consecutive matChes.
now i want to talk about tonight.
WARNING !!
gonna be long because i got a lot to talk about.
this team is a 8 ball travel team that started as a bye fill team last year. i dont know about other areas but here a bye fill team plays free for that session. the captain of my fri night team asked me to join this team 3 sessions ago. my lo also plays on this team. oh yea, he has been paying our weekly dues ever since this team started, its only supposed to be for the session you filled a bye. i said FREE POOL !! HELL YEA I'M IN !.
tonight was the 1st night of a new session and my captain had called saying we were ata new bar called the loose goose. im thinking they added a new team to our travels.
i go walking in there with a ciggarette dangling from my lips , throw my shit on the table were my teamates are and commence to looking for an ashtray, not one there, look at the table beside us, not one there, i start looking at all the tables and dont see one darn ashtray anywhere. my captain says, this is a no smoking bar. i say huh ?? , you expect me to sit in a no smoking bar for 4 friggin hours ? OH HELL NO !!. she says there is a smoking lounge right thru that door. it was about 4 foot away. by that time i see a guy walking toward the door and opens it motioning for me to enter, i assume he works there i never did ask. he joins me in there and lights one up himself while telling me there is no smoking in the bar. i say thats what she just told me.
i look around the room. its about 15 by 30 feet. 3 tvs on thewalls. there are about 10 people in there smoking and the air is just as clean in there as the rest of the bar. i gotta say they have one kickass ventilation system there. i sat down on one of the most comfortable couches i have ever sat on and started watching memphis basketball.
here comes my captain in there lighting one up , sits down and gives me more bad news. she says not only are we playing there tonight but it is a new in house division that our team moved to and all our games are played here. i said AW SHIT !.
more later folks.
for the most part my experience in apa has been rather uneventful and perhaps even boring compared to the horror stories some of you guys have posted on here, you know, sandbaggers, assholes, and drunks, etc.
that is why i started this thread , last sun night was unusaul in having someone deny obvious fouls and throw the apa rule about the call goes to the shooter , not once but twice in consecutive matChes.
now i want to talk about tonight.
WARNING !!
gonna be long because i got a lot to talk about.
this team is a 8 ball travel team that started as a bye fill team last year. i dont know about other areas but here a bye fill team plays free for that session. the captain of my fri night team asked me to join this team 3 sessions ago. my lo also plays on this team. oh yea, he has been paying our weekly dues ever since this team started, its only supposed to be for the session you filled a bye. i said FREE POOL !! HELL YEA I'M IN !.
tonight was the 1st night of a new session and my captain had called saying we were ata new bar called the loose goose. im thinking they added a new team to our travels.
i go walking in there with a ciggarette dangling from my lips , throw my shit on the table were my teamates are and commence to looking for an ashtray, not one there, look at the table beside us, not one there, i start looking at all the tables and dont see one darn ashtray anywhere. my captain says, this is a no smoking bar. i say huh ?? , you expect me to sit in a no smoking bar for 4 friggin hours ? OH HELL NO !!. she says there is a smoking lounge right thru that door. it was about 4 foot away. by that time i see a guy walking toward the door and opens it motioning for me to enter, i assume he works there i never did ask. he joins me in there and lights one up himself while telling me there is no smoking in the bar. i say thats what she just told me.
i look around the room. its about 15 by 30 feet. 3 tvs on thewalls. there are about 10 people in there smoking and the air is just as clean in there as the rest of the bar. i gotta say they have one kickass ventilation system there. i sat down on one of the most comfortable couches i have ever sat on and started watching memphis basketball.
here comes my captain in there lighting one up , sits down and gives me more bad news. she says not only are we playing there tonight but it is a new in house division that our team moved to and all our games are played here. i said AW SHIT !.
more later folks.
i said well i would rather play at the same place all the time instead of travel but why here ? she said the lo asked her too because he needed extra tams for this new division he started up. she said the new bar wanted the customers and the lo wanted the new division. she said sont forget that he pays our fees. i said ok, if it helps him i am all for it whether he pays our fees or not.
i wemt and checked out the tables. there are 3 of them and they are fairley new valleys. i had never seen a valley before that could take quarters or dollar bills.
i took some of you guys advice and pulled him aside and told him about the obvious fouls that happened sun night as i stated in my op. he said he was glad i tild him and he woud keep his eyes open on that team amd that his sun night team would face them soon and he would watch them carefully.
i went and smoked another one and then my captain come up and asked if i wanted to play frank. i said frank who ? she said our frank, we split our team up to make another team and we are playing them. i asked who's on what team. after she told me i knew i would either face him or jim , our lo who is a 7. either one was a tough matchup. i have beat the lo once but he has beat me every other time.
frank is the type of 5 i hate to face, a damn good shot maker but when he gets in a tough spot will rear back and let it fly hitting the object ball and 9 times out of 10 it will go in one of the 6 pockets and when it dont he leaves you hooked like hell. i decided to face frank, bad idea....he won 4-2 in a 5-4 race. our 4 faced their 3 and lost 2-1. he was off bad tonight. our captain who is a 2 faced their 3 and we won 2-0. our other 6 faced jim , our lo and lost to jim 5-0. we both had to replay since we split our 8 man team into 2 4 man teams. i told the captain i wanted to face frank again unless she had an objection. she told jim i wanted to play frank again and he said ok.
well i cant really say what happened the 1st 4 racks since i just got into a zone and was up 4-0. i broke and scratched the 5th rack and frank run the table. it went down hill from there. frank broke and ran the 6th rack.
after i racked the7th rack i joking told jim frank oughta be moving up to a 6 soon. jim said the way both of you are shooting i see him moving up to a 6 and you to a 7. i said bring it on , i would love to tell prople i reached the highest level in 8 ball , but they would look at me funny when i say i am a 4 in 9 ball. he said he looked at me and said you aint a 4 in 9 ball. i said yea i am. both the website and scoresheet last week said i was lowered to a 4. he said you are better than that and that he would look into when he got home.
well i went on to dog the 8 ball in the 7th rack and frank ran out. i went back to the table and told jim , you might oughta hold off on raising me to a 7 after i choked on that shot. jim said what happened ? he said junelle ( our 2 ) coulda made that shot you just missed. junelle told jim, buddy is just that way. he can shoot with the best in the league but when he makes a mistake it just goes downhill from there with him.
long story short , we lost 4-1 against our own team and we had the better players except for jim. thats the way it goes sometimes. it was a pretty interesting night to me.
i wemt and checked out the tables. there are 3 of them and they are fairley new valleys. i had never seen a valley before that could take quarters or dollar bills.
i took some of you guys advice and pulled him aside and told him about the obvious fouls that happened sun night as i stated in my op. he said he was glad i tild him and he woud keep his eyes open on that team amd that his sun night team would face them soon and he would watch them carefully.
i went and smoked another one and then my captain come up and asked if i wanted to play frank. i said frank who ? she said our frank, we split our team up to make another team and we are playing them. i asked who's on what team. after she told me i knew i would either face him or jim , our lo who is a 7. either one was a tough matchup. i have beat the lo once but he has beat me every other time.
frank is the type of 5 i hate to face, a damn good shot maker but when he gets in a tough spot will rear back and let it fly hitting the object ball and 9 times out of 10 it will go in one of the 6 pockets and when it dont he leaves you hooked like hell. i decided to face frank, bad idea....he won 4-2 in a 5-4 race. our 4 faced their 3 and lost 2-1. he was off bad tonight. our captain who is a 2 faced their 3 and we won 2-0. our other 6 faced jim , our lo and lost to jim 5-0. we both had to replay since we split our 8 man team into 2 4 man teams. i told the captain i wanted to face frank again unless she had an objection. she told jim i wanted to play frank again and he said ok.
well i cant really say what happened the 1st 4 racks since i just got into a zone and was up 4-0. i broke and scratched the 5th rack and frank run the table. it went down hill from there. frank broke and ran the 6th rack.
after i racked the7th rack i joking told jim frank oughta be moving up to a 6 soon. jim said the way both of you are shooting i see him moving up to a 6 and you to a 7. i said bring it on , i would love to tell prople i reached the highest level in 8 ball , but they would look at me funny when i say i am a 4 in 9 ball. he said he looked at me and said you aint a 4 in 9 ball. i said yea i am. both the website and scoresheet last week said i was lowered to a 4. he said you are better than that and that he would look into when he got home.
well i went on to dog the 8 ball in the 7th rack and frank ran out. i went back to the table and told jim , you might oughta hold off on raising me to a 7 after i choked on that shot. jim said what happened ? he said junelle ( our 2 ) coulda made that shot you just missed. junelle told jim, buddy is just that way. he can shoot with the best in the league but when he makes a mistake it just goes downhill from there with him.
long story short , we lost 4-1 against our own team and we had the better players except for jim. thats the way it goes sometimes. it was a pretty interesting night to me.
i played in my in house money league that uses the bcapl format last night.
this night was real unusual fo me. something happened that i had never seen or heard before in all my years of playing pool. also i did something i have never done before.
1st off i had to work late and consequently got to the pool hall about 2 minutes before starting time. i quickly made the line up and we started playing.
i was starting 2nd but since we were using 2 tables i had to play right away, i had not even taken my cues out of the case yet. i went ahead and racked since he was breaking and then started taking my cues out.
he broke while i was taking my cue out and then i saw he started to make another shot, i think well ok he made one. i turned my back to the table while he was shooting and was putting my case away. when i turned back around he was standing by his team and said i missed ,its still open.
i look the table over and see a real clusterfvck against one rail, i decide to pocket a couple of stripes and then duck and hide, letting him deal with a shitty layout.
well i ducked but did not hide as good as i wanted, he was able to see one ball but the only shot was a bank across corner. while he was setting up to shoot i looked the table over trying to come up with a game plan. i could not believe my eyes !! he was in his stance and was taking a warmup stroke when i yelled , hold up, wait a minute.
he stands up and looks at me and says what's the matter ?. i am walking up to the table saying where is the 8 ball? he looks over the table and says , i dunno . i walk around and bend over looking in the tray, i see in this order1 stripe, 1 solid, the 8 ball, and then the 2 stripes i pocketed. he is also looking in the tray and says i must have made the 8 on the break, i look at him and say you must have, i shake his hand and go sit down thinking , wtf ?
my next match its my break and i am still a lil riled about what went down the 1st match. well i rear back and send the cue ball flying towards the racked balls. that is exactly what the cue ball did, it took off flying. it flew over the bar table behind the one i am playing on and lands on the 9 footer behind it. i have never done that before in my life !. my opponent runs 6 balls , missing his last ball, i run out.
my next match i face one of the better players in town, i have faced him a few times and have never won. the last time i faced him was in masters and he blanked me 9-0. his break and lo and behold the cue ball flies off the table. i run all 7 of my balls and get a lil hard on the 8. i know if i miss i wont get back to the table. i try to force the shot knowing i might scratch in the side. well the cue ball hit the tip of the side pocket, hung for about 2 seconds and fell in. it was a heartbreaking loss.
to make tis short i won my next and lost my last match. we got our butts handed to us by a score of 200 to 138.
oh, and about those cueballs flying off the table. out of 25 breaks i counted 8 where the cue ball left the table. again i have never seen that happen that often in one night.
this night was real unusual fo me. something happened that i had never seen or heard before in all my years of playing pool. also i did something i have never done before.
1st off i had to work late and consequently got to the pool hall about 2 minutes before starting time. i quickly made the line up and we started playing.
i was starting 2nd but since we were using 2 tables i had to play right away, i had not even taken my cues out of the case yet. i went ahead and racked since he was breaking and then started taking my cues out.
he broke while i was taking my cue out and then i saw he started to make another shot, i think well ok he made one. i turned my back to the table while he was shooting and was putting my case away. when i turned back around he was standing by his team and said i missed ,its still open.
i look the table over and see a real clusterfvck against one rail, i decide to pocket a couple of stripes and then duck and hide, letting him deal with a shitty layout.
well i ducked but did not hide as good as i wanted, he was able to see one ball but the only shot was a bank across corner. while he was setting up to shoot i looked the table over trying to come up with a game plan. i could not believe my eyes !! he was in his stance and was taking a warmup stroke when i yelled , hold up, wait a minute.
he stands up and looks at me and says what's the matter ?. i am walking up to the table saying where is the 8 ball? he looks over the table and says , i dunno . i walk around and bend over looking in the tray, i see in this order1 stripe, 1 solid, the 8 ball, and then the 2 stripes i pocketed. he is also looking in the tray and says i must have made the 8 on the break, i look at him and say you must have, i shake his hand and go sit down thinking , wtf ?
my next match its my break and i am still a lil riled about what went down the 1st match. well i rear back and send the cue ball flying towards the racked balls. that is exactly what the cue ball did, it took off flying. it flew over the bar table behind the one i am playing on and lands on the 9 footer behind it. i have never done that before in my life !. my opponent runs 6 balls , missing his last ball, i run out.
my next match i face one of the better players in town, i have faced him a few times and have never won. the last time i faced him was in masters and he blanked me 9-0. his break and lo and behold the cue ball flies off the table. i run all 7 of my balls and get a lil hard on the 8. i know if i miss i wont get back to the table. i try to force the shot knowing i might scratch in the side. well the cue ball hit the tip of the side pocket, hung for about 2 seconds and fell in. it was a heartbreaking loss.
to make tis short i won my next and lost my last match. we got our butts handed to us by a score of 200 to 138.
oh, and about those cueballs flying off the table. out of 25 breaks i counted 8 where the cue ball left the table. again i have never seen that happen that often in one night.
I'll throw mine in. A new session just started this week and to have 8 full teams, I agreed to leave my previous team to captain a new one. In the first night I pretty much had to deal with everything a captain needs to: new players to the league (spent a lot of time discussing rules), absent players, and players who leave and forget to give me their dues.
I lost my match but every game was close. When my opponent was on the hill, we got in a situation where two solids surrounded one stripe and all three were lined up on a rail. I played a lot of safes trying to get ball-in-hand so I could set up an easy break-out for my stripe. I don't know how many times I hid the cue ball and my opponent (who is very good, don't get me wrong) kicked out for a good hit. Finally, I said, "ya know, if you stopped kicking so well, I wouldn't have to play so many damn safes!" (We both had a good laugh.) I hid the cue ball very well -- he could only ever kick at his balls -- I just couldn't get it frozen to the ball I was hiding it behind.
In the end, it wasn't to be. Afterward, my opponent (who is also just a really really nice guy) shook my hand and said, "that was a great match! thanks for that!"
I lost my match but every game was close. When my opponent was on the hill, we got in a situation where two solids surrounded one stripe and all three were lined up on a rail. I played a lot of safes trying to get ball-in-hand so I could set up an easy break-out for my stripe. I don't know how many times I hid the cue ball and my opponent (who is very good, don't get me wrong) kicked out for a good hit. Finally, I said, "ya know, if you stopped kicking so well, I wouldn't have to play so many damn safes!" (We both had a good laugh.) I hid the cue ball very well -- he could only ever kick at his balls -- I just couldn't get it frozen to the ball I was hiding it behind.
In the end, it wasn't to be. Afterward, my opponent (who is also just a really really nice guy) shook my hand and said, "that was a great match! thanks for that!"
i akways try to catch up on the forum when i get home just to read whats going on.
been sitting here for the last hour reading up on new threads but what happened at league tonight has been gnawing at me and i just gotta vent some.
let me back up to sun night 1st. i played this guy who i have played against before and also have played on the same team with. he is a pretty good shooting 5 but has a habit of resorting to slop when he gets outa position. the slop i can pretty much fade... the obvious fouls he has made lateley are getting to me. he made 2 fouls last sunday and did not call them on himself. i went on and won the match anyhow.
well tonight i faced him again in my tue night division. btw he played twice tonight because they were shorthanded. he faced our 6 before i played and beat our 6.
well when i played him sure enough he started resorting to slop again. he also made a couple of fouls and did not call them. once after i racked i mentioned to our 6 the fouls he was making. he said he made a couple on him also. i also mentioned this to our captain. she said call him on it. i said you know the rules, if there is not an observer the shot goes to the shooter.
i told her i was already getting upset enough , i did not want to get in a pissing contest and say , hey you fouled, he would say no i did not, i say yes you did, he says no i did not and the call goes to the shooter. i would really be pissed then , knowing he lied.
now get this... both my captain and our 6 plays with him on that sun night team. they know whats up.
i made up my mind if i ever face him again i am going to have a very serious conversation with him before we lag or call some one over to observe every shot he makes even if my nearest ball is 2 feet away from his object ball. heck i may do both.
i am all about going out and just having fun, heck i laugh a lot of times when one of my opponents slops one in but this guy is just plain irritating when he wins and has that smug look on his face like he really accomplished something.
2 1/2 years in apa and i finally meet an asshole like a lot of you have complained about encountering in leagues all the time. i guess one asshole outa the several hundred people in our area aint too bad . make that 2 assholes.
i had a guy in our tri cups go and complain to our lo about me.
here is what happened. i was keeping score and this guy finished shooting, my teamate went up to the table and was contemplating on what to do. i got out of my chair to look at the layout. i never moved from my spot when i stood up. he went and complained to the lo. the lo came over and asked me what was going on. i told him that all i did was stand up so i could have a better view of the table and that i never moved once i stood up. i said if i thought my teamate was going to try the wrong shot i was going to call a time out. once i saw he was going to play what i thought he should play i sat back down. i also said my teamate was not aware of my actions since his back was to me and he never turned around before he proceeded to shoot. he told me , no problem and walked away.
i guess our opponent thought i was trying to pull something but in my book i did nothing wrong. i also heard he complained about people on other teams during tri cups also. guess he makes 2 assholes in our area.
well i just had to vent a little.
been sitting here for the last hour reading up on new threads but what happened at league tonight has been gnawing at me and i just gotta vent some.
let me back up to sun night 1st. i played this guy who i have played against before and also have played on the same team with. he is a pretty good shooting 5 but has a habit of resorting to slop when he gets outa position. the slop i can pretty much fade... the obvious fouls he has made lateley are getting to me. he made 2 fouls last sunday and did not call them on himself. i went on and won the match anyhow.
well tonight i faced him again in my tue night division. btw he played twice tonight because they were shorthanded. he faced our 6 before i played and beat our 6.
well when i played him sure enough he started resorting to slop again. he also made a couple of fouls and did not call them. once after i racked i mentioned to our 6 the fouls he was making. he said he made a couple on him also. i also mentioned this to our captain. she said call him on it. i said you know the rules, if there is not an observer the shot goes to the shooter.
i told her i was already getting upset enough , i did not want to get in a pissing contest and say , hey you fouled, he would say no i did not, i say yes you did, he says no i did not and the call goes to the shooter. i would really be pissed then , knowing he lied.
now get this... both my captain and our 6 plays with him on that sun night team. they know whats up.
i made up my mind if i ever face him again i am going to have a very serious conversation with him before we lag or call some one over to observe every shot he makes even if my nearest ball is 2 feet away from his object ball. heck i may do both.
i am all about going out and just having fun, heck i laugh a lot of times when one of my opponents slops one in but this guy is just plain irritating when he wins and has that smug look on his face like he really accomplished something.
2 1/2 years in apa and i finally meet an asshole like a lot of you have complained about encountering in leagues all the time. i guess one asshole outa the several hundred people in our area aint too bad . make that 2 assholes.
i had a guy in our tri cups go and complain to our lo about me.
here is what happened. i was keeping score and this guy finished shooting, my teamate went up to the table and was contemplating on what to do. i got out of my chair to look at the layout. i never moved from my spot when i stood up. he went and complained to the lo. the lo came over and asked me what was going on. i told him that all i did was stand up so i could have a better view of the table and that i never moved once i stood up. i said if i thought my teamate was going to try the wrong shot i was going to call a time out. once i saw he was going to play what i thought he should play i sat back down. i also said my teamate was not aware of my actions since his back was to me and he never turned around before he proceeded to shoot. he told me , no problem and walked away.
i guess our opponent thought i was trying to pull something but in my book i did nothing wrong. i also heard he complained about people on other teams during tri cups also. guess he makes 2 assholes in our area.
well i just had to vent a little.
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Dude, you need a livejournal account or something lol.
Just busting your balls.
I hate those guys who won't call fouls on themselves. You can be sure if they do it once, they'll do it every time unless it's too obvious to hide. And you can't reasonably expect the LO to watch the whole match so a lot of time they're just gonna get away with it.
Even though it will go in his favor (you know how it works, no observer... no foul), you should still call at least one foul and just let him know he's on notice. You can't be shy about it. The person to talk to is not your teammate, or their captain. It's the opponent. He needs to know he's not sneaking anything under the radar, people see what he's doing.
Getting caught and called out has a way of preventing future fouls, even if he gets away with the current one.
As for the other situation... I would not have reported you but I'd be annoyed. Drives me bonkers when non-participants get up to 'check the layout' or whatever. The only guy who should be checking the layout is the current shooter. I know... you figure you also have the right since you can call a timeout and assist.
The problem is, just by jumping out of your chair, you're sending an obvious signal to the shooter that he might be looking at the wrong shot. I've seen exactly that situation before and the shooter immediately changes his mind and shoots something else... thereby getting 'advice' without using up his timeout. Even if it's not intentional, that's what it boils down to.
If you can see the table, you have all the info you need to call a timeout or not. You don't need to stand up.
Just busting your balls.
I hate those guys who won't call fouls on themselves. You can be sure if they do it once, they'll do it every time unless it's too obvious to hide. And you can't reasonably expect the LO to watch the whole match so a lot of time they're just gonna get away with it.
Even though it will go in his favor (you know how it works, no observer... no foul), you should still call at least one foul and just let him know he's on notice. You can't be shy about it. The person to talk to is not your teammate, or their captain. It's the opponent. He needs to know he's not sneaking anything under the radar, people see what he's doing.
Getting caught and called out has a way of preventing future fouls, even if he gets away with the current one.
As for the other situation... I would not have reported you but I'd be annoyed. Drives me bonkers when non-participants get up to 'check the layout' or whatever. The only guy who should be checking the layout is the current shooter. I know... you figure you also have the right since you can call a timeout and assist.
The problem is, just by jumping out of your chair, you're sending an obvious signal to the shooter that he might be looking at the wrong shot. I've seen exactly that situation before and the shooter immediately changes his mind and shoots something else... thereby getting 'advice' without using up his timeout. Even if it's not intentional, that's what it boils down to.
If you can see the table, you have all the info you need to call a timeout or not. You don't need to stand up.
at least you were interested enough to read it before busting my balls:wink:
i get tired of reading all the posts about what tip os the best, what chalk is the best, what is the best hitting cue, not to mention all the aiming threads, etc, etc. i think too many post about the same ole , same ole gets boring.
i would like to hear moe more about peoples experiences in leagues or just in pool halls in general. consequently that is why i started this thread.
i have actually thought about starting a blog on league experiences but i am bot much of a writer. besides most people would think it would be boring , just like i think seeing 50 different threads about whats the best tip is boring.
yea i know..... if you dont like subject .... dont read it.
oh... and for the other situation. it definitely was not an intentional move on my part and i think the lo saw it my way. i do understand your viewpoint and will make sure i dont put myself in that situation again. thanks for your input.