Some serious elbow drop...
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Interesting. Wish I didn't watch it. Just shows how inadequate I really am!
His elbow is just naturally dropped to follow the cue action, it's more like a consequence than a cause. The main point is the big follow through with constant acceleration. Just focus on how you deliver and accelerate the stick, then your arm will cooperate to get it done, and one day you suddendly realize that your elbow dropped at the end of the long follow-through shot.
Here is a video show how a snooker player hold the cue and generate power :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esxn...st=PLj1kypAWfgD3PJeHN7P5QhNjDb1R512sl&index=8
Gareth Potts (great name for pool/snooker player) and Del Hill are my favorite coaches.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWaptROOORc
this shot is amazing.
But i notice the title says he was banned for 12 years for rigging matches.
this shot is amazing.
But i notice the title says he was banned for 12 years for rigging matches.
"Lee has cited the lack of “evidence” against him on more than one occasion. Was there a smoking-gun email saying ‘I fixed all these matches’? No, there wasn’t. But in such cases, the money trail increasingly is the evidence, and will continue to be so." -- http://www.inside-snooker.com/snooker/2014/5/15/inside-snooker-stephen-lee-special
Being a crook, he'd fit in quite well with the pro players in the USA.
I've had the opportunity to play with Gareth, as far as fundamentals go he is spot on. I got onto the subject of stun with him and he confused me massively. He was saying its still a stun shot even if the CB is rolling, as long as you "stun" the CB...never did quite understand what he meant by that.
I think he only drops his elbow after contact with the cue ball. He explains this in one of his videos while he is instructing in front of a crowd. I could be wrong though.
Of course, most of those who incorporate the elbow drop in their repertoire drop the the elbow only after contact. A real tragedy in my opinion that one of the very best strokes in the world is effectively banned for life in the sport. Here is Stephen Lee giving instruction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho2j6ooeVZo#t=1267
I envy you being able to pick Potts brain on potting. :wink: I've come to realize that quite a number of these pros are not well versed in physics - however their explanations make good sense if one can translate the context in which they are trying to express their understanding. Do you sort of know what I mean?
I didn't read into the situation with him, but I willing soon. Will he continue giving lessons or do you think he will come to the pocket billiards side or just find a different profession all together?
On a side note: I noticed that after he is in his set position to shoot and after his practice strokes he will tap his fingers from his bridge hand on the table just before he shoots. I have noticed other snooker players doing this and pool players as well. Do you know if he taught the snooker players to do this or is it some kind of habit?
The Gareth Potts Eyes Shut Aiming System
Things have been getting rather dull around here, so I thought I would contribute something on Aiming Systems, a subject that I avoid religiously when threads appear
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_R4yF_Wnzk
Things have been getting rather dull around here, so I thought I would contribute something on Aiming Systems, a subject that I avoid religiously when threads appear
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_R4yF_Wnzk
Allen...Just remember, the elbow drop is a choice, rather than necessary to produce the effect of the stroke. Most here don't get (or believe) this.
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
I have a semi understanding of what you mean 
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Pro snooker players and UK pool players like Gareth don't get taught about physics as American pool players would, just a quick read through AZB and a snooker forum shows you this. American pool has far more emphasis on physics and what not, Gareth was clearly not taught this way. For example he mentions the natural angle on a given shot, to me that is the tangent line at 90 degrees to the OB path... With Gareth its more of a rolling CB. Its more the 'old timers' like Ken Doherty and Steve Davis that are up on the physics more so. Chatting with them they mention the tangent line as a natural angle, when they say stun they mean a sliding CB and they reference using side spin to a clock face, which no other snooker player has ever told it me like that, usually its just "screw with a bit of check side" or something along those lines.
. Pro snooker players and UK pool players like Gareth don't get taught about physics as American pool players would, just a quick read through AZB and a snooker forum shows you this. American pool has far more emphasis on physics and what not, Gareth was clearly not taught this way. For example he mentions the natural angle on a given shot, to me that is the tangent line at 90 degrees to the OB path... With Gareth its more of a rolling CB. Its more the 'old timers' like Ken Doherty and Steve Davis that are up on the physics more so. Chatting with them they mention the tangent line as a natural angle, when they say stun they mean a sliding CB and they reference using side spin to a clock face, which no other snooker player has ever told it me like that, usually its just "screw with a bit of check side" or something along those lines.
"Ronnie, Murphy and Higgins use the drive stroke [Del Hill Drive - elbow drop] and the others use pure pendulum strokes [pinned elbow]... The advantage with the pendulum method is it has less moving parts so the accuracy is quite improved but on powershots it can lead to body movement cause of thrusting too fast. On the other hand the "drive stroke" has more moving parts. The elbow drops and involves the shoulder which can throw you off target. But on powershots you can do them with ease" -- Terry Griffiths. Stephen Lee uses both elbow drop and pinned elbow depending what a shot calls for.
I have a semi understanding of what you mean
....American pool has far more emphasis on physics and what not, Gareth was clearly not taught this way...
It might be paradoxical but Gareth's understanding, though not framed in classical mechanics, might be more congruent with reality than some American pool pundits that rely on a sophomoric approach to physics. Without a seriously profound understanding of physics it is easy to dismiss the messy parts of the real world that don't fit into some naive model of how things work. For instance, I have seen would be proponents of "physics" dismiss Hal Houle's "little cue ball" technique as magic, when in actuality, it gives a very good approximation of the contact point on the cue ball.
Thanks for the vid.
There is big reason why he drops elbow, in snooker, if your bridge length is more than say 18" , elbow drop is not needed, but you will not consistently pot power shots due to missing tip contact point; therefore, it is always better to have short (not too short) bridge in snooker; but to get the power, you must drop elbow if you holding butt lightly. If tight griping the butt, the power gets generated by muscles, and no need to drop elbow in most fast shots, like Ronnie O.
In pool, stroke errors due to long bridge length does not amplify stroke errors enough to cause as much misses as snooker.
Um, Ronnie drops his elbow frequently, on soft medium and hard shots. There are very few players that don't drop their elbow in snooker after they contact the white. Judd Trump is one of the few that rarely drop their elbow and he generates incredible cue power.
Your statement about longer bridge lengths having more of an impact in cueing off line are completely wrong also. If you bridge 15 inches away from the cue ball in either game, your stroke is going to be as flawed in both pool and snooker. If you have a tendency to cue 2cm off of your initial desired spot on the white you will hit 2cm off of that position with either a 2 1/4 cue ball or a 2 1/16 cue ball and both will result in a miss. In snooker a cues pivot length is more likely to be closer to 15 inches, and if you are lucky it could be bang on 15 inches so therefore you might stand more of a chance of potting the object ball.
And what ever you do, don't grip the cue tight and try generate force with your arm, you will just snatch at shots and miss more often. Grip light and try and time the stroke. If you drop the elbow you drop the elbow, its no big deal.
You bring good points, i guess i miss meant what to say, i mean long shaft swing due to having long bridge, then you shaft will have enough momentum without the need to drop elbow, but getting the tip to go where intended on CB might be tricky.
I agree dropping elbow is not big deal, CB would have been gone by then.