Somebody Please Shoot Me!
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Just to add to this discussion as I said in another thread, do not use the simonis method of installation with velocity pro. Staple one full long end, then on the other long end draw a chalk line across on the cloth 3" to 4" up from the edge of the slate, depending on how tight you want it, stretch that line to the top of the wood and staple starting in the middle working your way out to the corner pockets, now your long ends are done. Now staple the entire length of one side, draw your chalk line the entire length 1" to 2" up from the edge of the slate, depending on how tight you want it, starting at the side pocket staple that half of the table pulling the line down to the top enge of the wood, then go do the other half of that side starting from the side pocket. Cut the pockets in last.
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selftaut said:Just to add to this discussion as I said in another thread, do not use the simonis method of installation with velocity pro.Do you just not install cloth the way Simonis recomends or was it suggested to you to do it the way you did.
Here is what I have done:
Using the ruler from a combination square as a ramp, (it has a groove in it) and then propping one end on the rail I can accurately roll balls down the table.
Placing a laser behind the ruler I can ensure the ruler is on the same line, set a target and monitor the tracking of the balls.
Starting at 4" and then moving down the ramp in 1/4" increments I can roll balls to an area on the table without having them touch and they end up about 1/4" apart. The first ball at 4" on the ramp is a distance of less than half the length of the table.
The balls wobble their way to the stopping point and are out by a half a ball or more. The table is level anywhere the ball was rolling using a machinist level that has been calibrated and this was not a problem rolling on bare slate.
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OTLB said:
John,
I was not copying you.. I came up with this to help better illustrate the problem I am having. I am sure if I came up with it others have done similar things. I wasn't trying to say I invented the wheel.
If I had a way to shoot video you could see these balls track off as they are rolling at lag speeds.
I would like to hear your input on the problem I am having.
OTLB said:
I used a pencil and the cloth was marked and then stretched evenly. This is an issue anywhere on the table. The illustration does show it looks worse near the side pocket. I did two ball roll tests and did not really search for an area where it was worse.
OTLB
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Well I hope it takes alot of pressure to make it fold up because you really shouldn't be able to do that. Some cloths behave differently then other s and thats why some are more -less $$ etc. If your ball is rolling so; at the very end of its roll and wanders a bit does it matter to you? If you shoot the shot with say 2 feet more pocket speed than it would take to reach the pocket does it drift then? The grain of the cloth will make a ball wander to a small degree at the very end most times anyways. The cloth will or should improve as you play on it also. As it breaks in I would expect this condition to be reduced. Again if it was folded in a bag lets say for a long time the cloth may have some memory to it also. So you have this problem lengthwise and not across?
You can always try returning it.
You can always try returning it.
OTLB said:
Kind of sways side to side but there are some areas where going the length of the table and on the same path and speed the balls end up in the same area. Most of the time that is at least a half ball over the length of the table. The table is level over the path the balls are taking and anywhere on the table. Most of the testing using the ramp has been done running lengthwise but as recall it also does it from side to side.
I am off to pool tonight and I will be compare a couple of tables to this one. I am not beyond admitting I might be too nitty about this. Maybe I have just never noticed this kind of wobbling BUT I REALLY doubt this. I do play pretty well.
OTLB said:
The cloth is shipped soft-folded.
There are no fold lines in the pics he posted so far.
The cloth has a fine/soft finish. Weave-ridges aren't too discernable.
At this point I'm hoping the cloth wasn't installed upside down. The back of the cloth
has a somewhat fine finish to it although the visable weave is not as tight as the top side.
The top side weave is difficult to tell the difference from Simonis.
Dartman you must really think I am a moron. The cloth was not installed upside down! That can be seen in one of the photos I supplied in this thread.
Last night I went to one of the places I play at sometimes. These are Gold crowns covered with Tour Edition. Now let me say these tables don't look so good. The cloth somebody splattered beer on. The seams have shifted as seen with the white lines in the cloth at the seam joints. I dropped my level on the table and the bubble shows the table low on the left. The bubble was in the middle of the line so this is no where near as level as my table.
I did the same ramp rolling ball test on this table. The balls over the length of the table rolled out a half ball to three quarters of a ball and did this with no discernable wobble along the way. The table is low on the left the balls roll to the left which makes total sense to me.
Now, not all things are perfect I do have a couple of places on the table where the level is off just a bit. However, if I slip a piece of paper under one end of the level it is corrected. I assume this is not enough to cause this problem. In fact I know it isn't because in these areas the balls go to the right when the level shows low on the left. If you look at the two photos I supplied in this thread the level reads low on the left the balls went to the right.
Several times I have wiped down the table with a damp cloth and then vacuumed. This has not real made much of any improvement to the ball wobbling condition.
At this point I am being told by the dealer that it must be caused by using the Simonis directions and will get better over time. The manufacturer has not responded to email and voice mail.
Last night I went to one of the places I play at sometimes. These are Gold crowns covered with Tour Edition. Now let me say these tables don't look so good. The cloth somebody splattered beer on. The seams have shifted as seen with the white lines in the cloth at the seam joints. I dropped my level on the table and the bubble shows the table low on the left. The bubble was in the middle of the line so this is no where near as level as my table.
I did the same ramp rolling ball test on this table. The balls over the length of the table rolled out a half ball to three quarters of a ball and did this with no discernable wobble along the way. The table is low on the left the balls roll to the left which makes total sense to me.
Now, not all things are perfect I do have a couple of places on the table where the level is off just a bit. However, if I slip a piece of paper under one end of the level it is corrected. I assume this is not enough to cause this problem. In fact I know it isn't because in these areas the balls go to the right when the level shows low on the left. If you look at the two photos I supplied in this thread the level reads low on the left the balls went to the right.
Several times I have wiped down the table with a damp cloth and then vacuumed. This has not real made much of any improvement to the ball wobbling condition.
At this point I am being told by the dealer that it must be caused by using the Simonis directions and will get better over time. The manufacturer has not responded to email and voice mail.