Sorry Accu-Stats I see nothing good in these rules EXCEPT

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Sorry Accu-Stats I see nothing good in these new ARENA Rules EXCEPT:

Accu-Stats announces new "Arena Rules"
http://www.azbilliards.com/2000storya.php?storynum=8724

Exceptions:

* No call shot. (There are too many two-way shots that are creative and brilliant.)

* The "Magic Rack" will be used. (It is PAINFUL for the viewers to watch players rack balls for minutes. The Magic Rack takes seconds.)

* 45 second shot clock for first shot. 30 second shot clock in between shots. Three shot clocks will be displayed in the arena.

Of course that's just my opinion.
 
* The player who is at the table after the break shot must push out or force his opponent push out. Are they serious??

* In a race to eleven, when the score is tied at seven, eight, nine, or ten, the next rack will determine the winner. Completely defeats the purposes of a set match, if the race constantly changes.

* When the 9-ball is the last ball on the table and a player scratches in the pocket while playing the 9-ball, the 9-ball is spotted, and his opponent has ball in hand behind the headstring. Oh get the EFF outta here!

Sorry, but these are the worst rules for 9ball I've ever heard of. Wow, this sucks. Were they trying to ensure that any amateur player can take on an established pro?? Other than that, these rules are horrible. Sorry accustats, but I called it like I see it. In this case, I call it like it smells....sh*tty.
 
"* The player who is at the table after the break shot must push out or force his opponent push out."

So no more break and runs?
 
It's not meant to be traditional pool. They are trying something new, you don't HAVE to play by these rules, you AGREE to play by these rules.

They are trying to make pool more innovating to watch for the people that might not normally watch it. Where is the fault in that...

Lots of people complain about things, but few actually DO...they are the latter and I applaud that.
 
I think the new rules could be very interesting both for the players and the viewing public. Give it a chance and let's see what happens. Thanks, Pat, for some new ideas.
 
I'm all about variety. If these rules mean less safeties and more difficult shots attempted then this would be good for the vast majority of spectators.
 
* The player who is at the table after the break shot must push out or force his opponent push out. (This assures that both players play each rack. Each player begins on a near equal par.) After a scratch on the break, the incoming player will have "ball in hand" anywhere on the table.

* If a player cannot "see" the lowest numbered ball when he begins his turn, he may push out (unless it is the result of a push-out). (The game is lacking great shots. A player will think twice before playing a snooker knowing that he will be looking at a push out. He may shoot that tough shot which may now yield better results. It also eliminates unforeseen snookers that the incoming player would have to suffer.)
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I'm watching Jerry vs Zion now. We won't be seeing players stringing rack together anymore, but it does involve both players to be on the table more often. Granted, it's a bit awkward when you first asked to abide by the new rules, but I can see the reasonings behind these rules. It does, however, make break shot a lot less important in the game. With these rules implemented, IMO, it's crucial to ensure the player on the table breaks with full speed. Rules such as at least x amount of balls must pass the head string need to be implemented as well.

* In a race to eleven, when the score is tied at seven, eight, nine, or ten, the next rack will determine the winner. (The most exciting game by far for viewers is when the match is tied with one deciding game left. By the time both players are tied at seven or later, they both shot every game, thus having enough chances by then to decide a winner. The result is more hill-hill matches for the viewers.)
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For race to 11, sudden death at the 14th rack seems a bit too much. Race to 11 with sudden death begins in 9-9 seems more appropriate, IMO. I like the idea of forcing your opponent to secure 2 racks advantage at all time.

* When the 9-ball is the last ball on the table and a player scratches in the pocket while playing the 9-ball, the 9-ball is spotted, and his opponent has ball in hand behind the headstring. (Where has the spot shot gone? It's back! It's more entertaining for the viewer to watch another "sweat shot" than to rack them up.)
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It doesn't really matter. When you're playing at that level, you're expected to cut those spot shot in anyway.

* No call shot. (There are too many two-way shots that are creative and brilliant.)
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I never like call shot. Like the reason given, call shots take away the creative try, which can be exciting to watch.

* Jump cues and extensions are not allowed. (Tradition has its place here. The mechanical bridge can be used.)

* The "Magic Rack" will be used. (It is PAINFUL for the viewers to watch players rack balls for minutes. The Magic Rack takes seconds.)

* 45 second shot clock for first shot. 30 second shot clock in between shots. Three shot clocks will be displayed in the arena. (Sorry, but the game is too boring for the viewer. How long does it take for a complete football team to prepare for the next play?)
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These are pretty standard.

Just my opinions. Feel free to contradict.
 
After watching the stream, I'm not sure I like the idea of completely taking out safety play in the game. It might be better to just allow both players to have the option to push and the last one has a choice of giving the table back. Then begins the normal game. The loser of previous rack still has one chance to come back onto the table and redeem him/herself. Also, the system introduces a very vague term. When players ask if they can see the lowest numbered ball, the answers can very much differ from player to player. Overall, it's not bad. Something new to learn.

Oh and I like the shot clock idea: stops when the player is on the table, and a foul if he backs away from it.
 
zerowins said:
Sorry Accu-Stats I see nothing good in these new ARENA Rules EXCEPT:

Accu-Stats announces new "Arena Rules"
http://www.azbilliards.com/2000storya.php?storynum=8724

Exceptions:

* No call shot. (There are too many two-way shots that are creative and brilliant.)

* The "Magic Rack" will be used. (It is PAINFUL for the viewers to watch players rack balls for minutes. The Magic Rack takes seconds.)

* 45 second shot clock for first shot. 30 second shot clock in between shots. Three shot clocks will be displayed in the arena.

Of course that's just my opinion.
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If in the middle of the match both players forgot the rules..and then when the announcer played race to 5 she even had to be reminded by Zion about not doing something because of the "new rule" and she was in the booth for an hour and a half..then you need to rethink making those rules stick for further exhibitions..I am all for having both players "get a chance to shoot" but really it was a chance to "push" as the offensive opportunities were not ever there. I also think because it was an exhibition Zion played loose and not really focused..that match was looking like 11-1 without the missed 9 ball. But credit to Jerry T. He said he hasn't played much and seems like a very nice guy but playing Zion Zvi even up in a race to 11 is just plain punishment. I think Jerry T needed 6 games and the break..Zvi is starting to look like a MONSTER!:angry:
 
Jeff G. Martin said:
These rules look absolutely terrible.....even on paper.
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Not so fast! Not only do I want to watch it, I want to watch it for a long time to see how I like it. These guys are fore-most experts on what entertains and what works on video (for pool). I am very interested in everything they do and every idea they have.
 
I think this game is pretty good if you have two pro players going at it. You can still play safe but your opponent will just push out and leave you a hard shot. No matter what the first shot of the run will be difficult and making it with position will be fun to watch.

Spot shot on the 9 is fine. It's not like that comes up often, so when it does it's nice to watch the opponent work for their win and not get it handed to them.

Some problems I see with this format is the break. Dropping a ball on the break to force your opponent to push out first is an advantage for sure. If it stays winner breaks format then the breaker will have too much advantage. It should move to an alternate break and the hill hill at all 7, 8, 9, and 10 should be removed. If it stays winner breaks then they should rack 10 ball not 9 ball for a chance of a dry break.

Also I feel a scratch on the break giving ball in hand anywhere is too much penalty for a unlucky break. A scratch on the break should result in ball in hand in the kitchen. If the next ball in rotation is in the kitchen then it'll be spotted up to the spot. Any other time ball in hand anywhere is fine.

Lastly, I would love to see two world class shot makers like Earl and Alex play this game. I feel these rules have the potential for very exciting matches but I get the feeling that you need two top players to get that very exciting match.
 
you have to have the ability to adapt. people (and i'm talking your average pool player) do not get excited watching a technical display of billiards. you guys get on the stream, most of the time it's the EXACT same people watching ALL the streams. the goal of this and all streams is to what? BRING IN NEW VIEWERS!

now don't get me wrong, i love watching a great match of pool, but if you are going to get new blood to watch these streams, you absolutely have to liven this up a bit or they will just go watch something else.

think of professional wrestling as an equivelant. gone are the days of people wanting to watch the super technical grappling matches of the old NWA. Sure, the purists love to see it and would watch it anytime, but to succeed you have to bring in new blood. New fans, enter the modern era. Different rules, flashier wreslters, so much different from the basis it came from.

Pool is in the exact same position. Sure, you can keep the same group of "purists" around watching each stream, but eventually you have to bring in new fans.

Regular pool is boring to watch...I like the ideas of mixing it up....I hope it succeeds.
 
So basically the break is no longer a part of the game? Why not just roll the balls around the table and play from there, don't even have the break.

The only way to get people interested in pool that AREN"T interested in pool, is to make it all luck where some amateur can win millions. (i.e. poker) Sorry, but pool is a game of skill, precision, and the ability to run balls. I agree with some of the rules, however, forced push-outs completely take a skilled break out of the game. Giving both players a "chance" at the table is irrelevant, the beauty of being in stroke is your opponent doesn't get out of his seat.

You want a game that will get amatuers to come play the game. OK...here is your basic prototype game to get non-interested parties interested in the sport.

BREAK CONTEST - $500+ (or higher) buy in.

- Rack the full rack and the player gets 5 breaks
- Total up the balls made on the break vs opponent, winner moves on.
- Its fast, can draw HUGE fields without taking up a ton of time.
- Anyone with a sledgehammer break can join, no need to spend hours learning how to shoot, any noob can win it.

BAM, popular game.

JMHO, :)

Carl
 
12ozCurl said:
Actually I do like this rule...
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Both parts? Abolishing jump cues may or may not make the game more attractive - but to abolish extensions is merely a disservice to players who happen to be short.

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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"Jump cues and extensions are not allowed. (Tradition has its place here. The mechanical bridge can be used.)"

THANKS ACCU_STATS!

It's about time someone decided to keep the ball on the table....
 
Well, if the idea was to bring in new viewers, I doubt the strategy for taking out safety plays will actually work. If this system gets implemented, and all the pros get adapted to it, we will be seeing intelligent pushes from rack number one till handshake. It's great for us pool players, but for the general population (with little to no background in pool), I don't see how smart pushes will motivate them to watch or even play more pool. Pushes are often the tool to take advantage of your opponent's weaknesses and signify your strengths. It's like setting a trap in chess, so to speak, and understanding the reasonings behind some pushes require deep knowledge in the game. General public has very little knowledge about pool, otherwise they would've been watching and playing pool with us all these time.

Pat, I think you're asking a bit too much to take out all safety plays in the game. However, I'm not going to second guess on the decisions made, but perhaps you can share with us the ultimate goals of these changes?
 
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