Southwest cue $3,800
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People who have Southwest 4 SALE, are selling in a SELLERS MARKET, so you either pay or set your sights on a different Cue, and honestly Southwest are not MAGIC.
WHY are YOU so concerned how the OP wants to SPEND HIS OWN MONEY??????
Good Luck with you search!
Chris
What you fail to realize is that you questioned HOW and with WHOM he should spend his money.
Read the forum rules...
Plus Roy is a thief and an a-hole.
Bump for more SW's.
Chris
Yeah but Roy buys from JB Cases and their associates and CocoCow loves JB. So this is a natural shill.
But besides that, the OP is the second recent person looking for a SW to decline buying from Indy. You would think unless CocoCow wants to see another Roy flame fest he would back the hell off.
JV
So what is your PERSONAL Problem with JB CASES, and ROY?????? FYI for the record I have bought from JB CASES, but not from Roy because we could not find a middle ground on a Cue I wanted to TRADE for a Capone + CASH!.
Thank you everybody for your inputs. I very much appreciate. I think we all know there are fairly priced SWs and overpriced SWs. That's is very normal. However, a transaction could happen only if supply meets demand. Hope I could find one.
Nam
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The funny thing is that there are more testimonials by people who have done GREAT deals with Roy than have not.
It must truly burn some people up that Roy is "hard to deal with" and yet he still sells so much.
Roy and the original poster have been talking about SouthWest cues for a while. Nam feels that Roy's prices are too high. Roy doesn't feel that way.
Roy also pays TOP dollar for SW cues. That is why he ALWAYS has 10-15 brand new ones in stock. People know who to go to when they want to sell a SW that they have coming and get the most for it without a hassle and without being made to feel bad about it as happens here on AZ when someone wants to flip a SW that they no longer have interest in or don't have the money for.
Roy doesn't play word games with his descriptions. His cues are new and mint unless otherwise described. Other dealers kind of play word games with the descriptions so that the viewer doesn't know if the cue is used or not. That's why there are a FEW SouthWests out there on websites with prices lower than Roy's - those cues are GENERALLY used.
What you really mean is that Roy is hard to beat up. Because he is very easy to deal with for the people who aren't out there trying to beat him up on price.
I find it really funny that so many people around the world use Roy's website as a reference for SouthWests, be it for pricing or for design and yet he is so hated by by other so-called dealers.
You all should WISH that there were more dealers like Roy in the business. He is a straight shooter who does what he says he will do and bends over backwards to make his customers happy. He invests heavily into inventory and insures that his merchandise is pristine.
If we had 50 more dealers like Roy who would stock and sell instead of moan and whine then the billiard industry would be much healthier. While you are on here knocking him he is on the phone selling or working on his website or buying more goods.
choices....
In the end, it will be Nam's choice in whom he deals with. It is his money and he has clearly described what he is looking for in a cue as well as offered using escrow. I think the thread needs to get back to cue offerings and get away from banter. Let's not air out dirty laundry or point fingers....let's simply find a cue for him that works.:smile:
In the end, it will be Nam's choice in whom he deals with. It is his money and he has clearly described what he is looking for in a cue as well as offered using escrow. I think the thread needs to get back to cue offerings and get away from banter. Let's not air out dirty laundry or point fingers....let's simply find a cue for him that works.:smile:
I really think the OP could do a search for Roy and Indyq and draw his own conclusions. I don't think there is a dealer out there that hates Roy, infact because of him, they all sell more SW's at a higher margin. I personally do not hate Roy, and I have said numerous times him and I are very cordial when he comes around at VF.
If you had any reading comprehension you would see that what I posted was to NOT draw any more flame Roy threads. But if you want to think otherwise that's up to you.
So John in my post show me where I knocked Roy. Your apology will be all I need. Of course I know you aren't man enough to reread what I wrote because no where does it knock Roy.
So here is my post John, where do I knock Roy?
Yeah but Roy buys from JB Cases and their associates and CocoCow loves JB. So this is a natural shill.
But besides that, the OP is the second recent person looking for a SW to decline buying from Indy. You would think unless CocoCow wants to see another Roy flame fest he would back the hell off.
JV
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None with either. I am just pointing out that YOU have started more IndyQ threads, and recommended IndyQ, than anyone on the board. They ALMOST ALWAYS end up in flaming Roy. You would think that you could see that correlation and not do him anymore favors.
BTW that's a lot of recommending for someone that hasn't done a deal with him.
JV
I would like to publically apologize for calling Roy a thief. I just do not know the words to use. In my opinion, his prices do not reflect what sells on AZ. A person can sell an item for whatever price they seem fit.
Unfortunately, he still is an a-hole. He is rude and demeaning to people that do not agrre with his pricing or sales tactics. The reason why there are so many more threads praising him is the other threads get pulled. There are certain people that feel they need to stand up for a grown man. This I do not understand. If he is such a pillar in the Billiard community, then why doesn't he have a presence here on this forum? There really is no reason to answer for this will be the very last post in this thread I will write.
To the OP - I also apologize for this thread getting derailed.
coco cowboy - Do a little research when discussing SW pricing. Your comment on SW not being Magic is ridiculous. No cue is. The truth of the matter is SW has a ten year wait for their cues. That doesn't happen because they stink. Laurie is one the nicest people I have ever dealt with and is always helpful.
Chris
I tried to make a deal with him, be bartered back and forth, and in the end could not put a deal together. But it was not an unpleasant experience. So I would recommend dealing with the gentleman, as he was a gentleman, and treated me like a gentleman.
Why should Roy need to be on AZ? He gets dozens of calls and emails each day from people interested in what he has for sale.
He doesn't feel the need to peddle his wares in this marketplace as his website sits quite well and draws plenty of visitors, many of whom become customers. This forum is not the be all end all of billiard sales. In fact many in the business regard it as not much better than a flea market. Believe it or not there are many who are doing very good business without having a 'presence' on AZ.
If any thread about Roy gets pulled then it's because some people got out of line, not because Roy or anyone else has any special privileges.
The fact of it is that Roy is his own man and he goes his own way. He is gruff and grouchy if he perceives a slight and he is considerate and selfless when he feels respected. But in business he is straight up and his merchandise is pristine.
Now you all can do whatever the hell you want to do but I personally think it's out of line to start going off on Roy any time he is mentioned just because you don't like him. Makes you really wonder though if he is sooooo bad then how has he managed to make it in the custom cue and case business for 18 years?
This has been his ONLY business since March of 1993. He walked into the Super Billiards Expo and spent $150,000 buying cues and cases and other supplies to stock his business.
He regularly has buyers who ARE knowledgable about the cues they are buying, who do know the prices on AZ and who CHOOSE to buy from Roy anyway. Many of these folks have strong presences on AZ.
I stand up for Roy on this forum because he is not here to defend himself AND because I do not want to see him suffer another stroke from getting stressed out over being flamed.
As to the original topic for this thread - it's only natural that Roy's website should be mentioned when someone is looking for a SW. No one on the web that I know of has more brand new SouthWests for sale at any given moment than Roy does. He flips them faster than McDonalds flips hamburgers.
Just kidding, I don't think that he sells them that quickly but I was there for three days and he sold one each day and got one new one in.
Nam Le is right though, a deal happens when supply meets demand. Nam's demand is not strong enough to buy at Roy's price. No one is forced to buy and no one is forced to sell. Apparently Roy pays a little better than the AZ market or you would see more new SW cues for sale here.
So that's it - y'all do what you want with it.
Nam, I am sending you another case with a lock - please send yours back when you have time and I will add a lock to it.
Best,
John Barton
He doesn't feel the need to peddle his wares in this marketplace as his website sits quite well and draws plenty of visitors, many of whom become customers. This forum is not the be all end all of billiard sales. In fact many in the business regard it as not much better than a flea market. Believe it or not there are many who are doing very good business without having a 'presence' on AZ.
If any thread about Roy gets pulled then it's because some people got out of line, not because Roy or anyone else has any special privileges.
The fact of it is that Roy is his own man and he goes his own way. He is gruff and grouchy if he perceives a slight and he is considerate and selfless when he feels respected. But in business he is straight up and his merchandise is pristine.
Now you all can do whatever the hell you want to do but I personally think it's out of line to start going off on Roy any time he is mentioned just because you don't like him. Makes you really wonder though if he is sooooo bad then how has he managed to make it in the custom cue and case business for 18 years?
This has been his ONLY business since March of 1993. He walked into the Super Billiards Expo and spent $150,000 buying cues and cases and other supplies to stock his business.
He regularly has buyers who ARE knowledgable about the cues they are buying, who do know the prices on AZ and who CHOOSE to buy from Roy anyway. Many of these folks have strong presences on AZ.
I stand up for Roy on this forum because he is not here to defend himself AND because I do not want to see him suffer another stroke from getting stressed out over being flamed.
As to the original topic for this thread - it's only natural that Roy's website should be mentioned when someone is looking for a SW. No one on the web that I know of has more brand new SouthWests for sale at any given moment than Roy does. He flips them faster than McDonalds flips hamburgers.
Just kidding, I don't think that he sells them that quickly but I was there for three days and he sold one each day and got one new one in.
Nam Le is right though, a deal happens when supply meets demand. Nam's demand is not strong enough to buy at Roy's price. No one is forced to buy and no one is forced to sell. Apparently Roy pays a little better than the AZ market or you would see more new SW cues for sale here.
So that's it - y'all do what you want with it.
Nam, I am sending you another case with a lock - please send yours back when you have time and I will add a lock to it.
Best,
John Barton
Sorry Joe, your 'tone' felt like knocking so I just picked your post to rant in general.
FWIW I don't think that Bruce SHOULD have to back off of recommending who he wants to. People should be a little more considerate but that's not the world we live in now is it?
Reminds of me of the saying that people will always forget what you did but they will never forget how you made them feel. Roy has a gift for pissing people off to the point where they never let an opportunity go to tell the world how he made them feel. It's tough to be his friend with that environment but I will tell you and everyone else something, Roy is the kind of friend who is well worth standing up and taking bullets for.
IMHO Roy is free to run his business as he chooses. He has about 10-15 Southwest at any given time, and in not in business to play let switch money. Roy like most people in business do it to make a living, and play their way through life.
I have been in Roy's position when I had my photography business, deal with a photo editor, or assignment editor who had to have the right to use am image I owner, and wanted to pay next to nothing for the usage fee.
I heard all the sob stories about budget, they could only pay, etc., etc., etc., etc. Most of the time this was pure BS. But in the end it was a "fair price" or I simply said no, or hung up on the rude ones.
So if some one is wanting a Southwest Pool Cue now, whats to know who has the largest inventory, and they has to have it now because they can not wait 10 years. CLICK HERE, as this is the Place!:smile: