SouthWest Cues

Want to Change my Order

Hello All,
Based on your responses I am going to change my order, if I can. My original order consisted of two birdseye maple 6 point cues one with Macassar points and the other with Cocobolo. Anyone have an opinion on an alternate forearm wood? Pau Ferro? Goncalo Alves?
 
The wait is bullshit. If they took a deposit (LIKE ALL OTHERS) the wait might be a year.

I agree. Also if they limited each person to one cue the wait would be half of what it is now. Most people order 2 cues and sell one to help pay for the first.
TommyT:mad:
 
bells said:
The reason is that SW cues have alot more hype about them.Gilbert cues do hit differently than SW, that is a good thing. I love the way the Gilbert cues that i have owned have played. Cuemakers love guys like you that really lose focus on what the purpose of the cue is. If i was going to use cars to equate cues in a anaology representing the social pecking order of cuemakers, I certainly wouldnt use BMW to represent SW cues. SW cues are more like a recent Thunderbird........lol alot of hype over nothing.BMW/mercedes are the Ginacues,Szambotis, Tad ,Mottey and on and on and on.............................Concentrate on what your doing with the cue and not the color of the veneers or how long the waiting list is for your cue that your playing with. ....................Rack em
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Car analogies, huh? Ok.

Gilbert is to Southwest as Scion is to BMW. (Yes! BMW!)

Actually, if you want to liken SW to any vehicle, you'd be better off comparing it to a Hummer. You see, Hummer's are ugly and unattractive but yet, there is a certain beauty that coincides with that ugliness. Perhaps it is the mystique of driving a Hummer. Who knows? But Hummer's, despite not being the most beautiful looking cars, can rool over anything and outperform any other SUV on the road.

Southwests are similar. They are simple six-pointers and, turth be told their point work and ring work is ok. Its not great. Its good. But, it doesn't matter. It has a style uniquely its own. And it plays better than just about any other cue out there.

Gilbert makes a decent cue but, to be honest, after ownign Gilberts and playing with others, I still do not see what all the hype is about. He is a good new cuemaker. But he has a long-ways to go. JMO.
 
Musashi said:
Hello All,
Based on your responses I am going to change my order, if I can. My original order consisted of two birdseye maple 6 point cues one with Macassar points and the other with Cocobolo. Anyone have an opinion on an alternate forearm wood? Pau Ferro? Goncalo Alves?
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The 2 cues you ordered practically look the same. unless you have different color veneers on em. The cue I ordered will have a Goncalo Alves forearm. I'll probally change it again when my number comes up some time in 2010 :mad:

Oh btw I have an email from Laurie back in Jan stating their just finishing 1997 orders:eek:
 
lol pharaoh68...............

pharaoh68 said:
Car analogies, huh? Ok.

Gilbert is to Southwest as Scion is to BMW. (Yes! BMW!)

Actually, if you want to liken SW to any vehicle, you'd be better off comparing it to a Hummer. You see, Hummer's are ugly and unattractive but yet, there is a certain beauty that coincides with that ugliness. Perhaps it is the mystique of driving a Hummer. Who knows? But Hummer's, despite not being the most beautiful looking cars, can rool over anything and outperform any other SUV on the road.

Southwests are similar. They are simple six-pointers and, turth be told their point work and ring work is ok. Its not great. Its good. But, it doesn't matter. It has a style uniquely its own. And it plays better than just about any other cue out there.
I only used car anaogly to humor tedkaufman lol............................. Please read his previous post i got a kick out of them.

Gilbert makes a decent cue but, to be honest, after ownign Gilberts and playing with others, I still do not see what all the hype is about. He is a good new cuemaker. But he has a long-ways to go. JMO.
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I only used car anaogly to humor tedkaufman lol............................. Please read his previous post i got a kick out of them.
 
Flex said:
The market is always right? Depends on the time frame... remember the DotCom revolution? Then the bubble burst...

Y'all oughta hit with some Ed Young cues.

Flex
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To say that SouthWest cues are facing an economic bubble is irrational. There is a difference between a bubble and bull market. However, the only way to differentiate the two comes in hindsight. So, until SouthWests are actually selling on the secondary market for less than factory price, I wouldn't be so sure about a bubble. Plus, most bubbles are created and perpetuated through speculation; I think most people buying SouthWests pretty much know what they are buying into.

I do agree with you that it depends on a time frame. But, the dotcom 'revolution' was indeed a revolution; basically, only a very few people fully understood the technology and possiblities of these dotcom companies.

On a side note, I think SouthWest should be commended: They keep their prices relatively low compared to some cuemakers. Since everyone is so caught up in comparing Souths and Gilberts, how much does Gilbert charge for a 6 point w/ 3 veneers and two shafts? South only charges $1600.00-- a steal in my humble opinion.:eek:

ShaneS
 
I have NEVER Hit with a SouthWest, or have seen a SouthWest, but understand they have a CULT like following. If I was a Smart Man, I would have ordered a SouthWest ever other month about 7 years ago, for the last 3 years or so, and made a SMALL profit when I resold em.
 
I agree

Flex said:
The market is always right? Depends on the time frame... remember the DotCom revolution? Then the bubble burst...

Y'all oughta hit with some Ed Young cues.

Flex
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I got an Ed Young from Jazz (good person) and I am very happy with the way the cue plays. Their absence from the used marketplace speaks loudly in my book now. I would almost consider getting on his list- but for the fear of having to decide which cue to use. A very good cuemaker who is flying under the radar.
 
ShaneS said:
To say that SouthWest cues are facing an economic bubble is irrational. There is a difference between a bubble and bull market. However, the only way to differentiate the two comes in hindsight. So, until SouthWests are actually selling on the secondary market for less than factory price, I wouldn't be so sure about a bubble. Plus, most bubbles are created and perpetuated through speculation; I think most people buying SouthWests pretty much know what they are buying into.

I do agree with you that it depends on a time frame. But, the dotcom 'revolution' was indeed a revolution; basically, only a very few people fully understood the technology and possiblities of these dotcom companies.

On a side note, I think SouthWest should be commended: They keep their prices relatively low compared to some cuemakers. Since everyone is so caught up in comparing Souths and Gilberts, how much does Gilbert charge for a 6 point w/ 3 veneers and two shafts? South only charges $1600.00-- a steal in my humble opinion.:eek:

ShaneS
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I doubt SW is facing a bubble; my comments about market prices were only to show that markets can be irrational. Buying a SW cue is a highly rational decision, and obviously makes sense, at least for some people. Does that mean the prices they go for are warranted? I'm sure they are for those who lay down their cash to get them. To others, perhaps not.

Flex
 
Flex said:
I doubt SW is facing a bubble; my comments about market prices were only to show that markets can be irrational. Buying a SW cue is a highly rational decision, and obviously makes sense, at least for some people. Does that mean the prices they go for are warranted? I'm sure they are for those who lay down their cash to get them. To others, perhaps not.

Flex
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I hear you.

You wouldn't by chance have an extra Ed Young you would be willing to sell, would you? I've always wanted to give one a try but have never really seen them available.

-Shane
 
Southwests are just another custom cue with a "hype" about them therefore they are commanding a waiting list and "retarded" pricing !!!!!!!!
I have owned 6 different Sw. cues and they all played different as they should using different woods.. Are they a good investment ,probably because you can always find someone wiling to pay "stupid" money for it, and as for the "hit" i cant answer that as everyone likes a different hit and feel................. I M O :)
I have also seen quite a few Southwests having a warp in the wrap area both in cues i wanted to buy and also cues a good friend has had (and he has had alot) so like every custom cue they have problems also , for some reason people put them on some high pedestal................:)
 
pooldogue said:
Southwests are just another custom cue with a "hype" about them therefore they are commanding a waiting list and "retarded" pricing !!!!!!!!
I have owned 6 different Sw. cues and they all played different as they should using different woods.. Are they a good investment ,probably because you can always find someone wiling to pay "stupid" money for it, and as for the "hit" i cant answer that as everyone likes a different hit and feel................. I M O :)
I have also seen quite a few Southwests having a warp in the wrap area both in cues i wanted to buy and also cues a good friend has had (and he has had alot) so like every custom cue they have problems also , for some reason people put them on some high pedestal................:)
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I can't imagine buying six different samples of anything I wasn't very impressed with, particularly if I had to pay "stupid" money for them. I guess we all have our own ways of reasoning.

As for warps with SW cues, I suppose any cue can warp if the owner insists on keeping it in a car trunk subjected to extremes of heat and cold. My experience with my two very well kept SW cues is both spin perfectly true on a lathe, and one is twenty years old and the other fourteen. I also know there is no cuemaker who takes more care and more steps with more time between turnings than SW. My guess is, if one of their cues warps, it's because of mishandling by the owner.
 
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ShaneS said:
I hear you.

You wouldn't by chance have an extra Ed Young you would be willing to sell, would you? I've always wanted to give one a try but have never really seen them available.

-Shane
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Sure don't have one for sale. They're not that easy to come by. They're often seen in certain Chicago pool rooms, though I've never seen one for sale. Have no idea what the wait time is to have one made.

Flex
 
ShaneS said:
To say that SouthWest cues are facing an economic bubble is irrational. There is a difference between a bubble and bull market. However, the only way to differentiate the two comes in hindsight. So, until SouthWests are actually selling on the secondary market for less than factory price, I wouldn't be so sure about a bubble. Plus, most bubbles are created and perpetuated through speculation; I think most people buying SouthWests pretty much know what they are buying into.

I do agree with you that it depends on a time frame. But, the dotcom 'revolution' was indeed a revolution; basically, only a very few people fully understood the technology and possiblities of these dotcom companies.

On a side note, I think SouthWest should be commended: They keep their prices relatively low compared to some cuemakers. Since everyone is so caught up in comparing Souths and Gilberts, how much does Gilbert charge for a 6 point w/ 3 veneers and two shafts? South only charges $1600.00-- a steal in my humble opinion.:eek:

ShaneS
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SouthWest provides a nearly perfect cue for a fair price. They have earned a reputation for quality and value. They aren't heading for a bubble anytime soon.

A bubble would be the Japanese appetite for cues which allowed some unknown and unproven cuemakers to start selling their cues for far more than they were "worth" and generally drove the prices of custom cues to unreasonable heights. When the market softened in Japan a lot of cuemakers were left wondering what happened now that they were priced out of the American market.

SouthWest has JOB SECURITY. As long as they continue to do what they do best without comprimise then they are set.

Are their other cumakers whose products are as solid as SouthWest. You bet there are. Are they as consistent with respect to quality and delivery? Not many are. Do they command a premium over the shop retail? Not many do. Do they hold their value on the secondary market? Not many.

I have never had a problem moving a SouthWest. EVER. I can name a dozen other top quality cuemakers whose secondary market value varies all over the board for a variety of reasons. No names because I don't want to get into a debate about the merits of each one. You collectors and cue dealers know what I mean though. There are a few cuemakers whose stuff holds value no matter where you go and everyone else's fluctuates.

John
 
tedkaufman said:
I can't imagine buying six different samples of anything I wasn't very impressed with, particularly if I had to pay "stupid" money for them. I guess we all have our own ways of reasoning.

Well, after the 2nd the ONLY reason i bought them was i bought low and sold high, which is the only reason i purchase them to date although if i find one i like to play with i surely will do just that !!!!!!!!!!!!
I feel that there are other makers that have "way" less of a wait time and command far "less" money to buy........:)
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