SouthWest Knock-offs
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I have never understood the Southwest design myself, surely don't understand why so many others want to copy the design.
Don't get me wrong the cues play great I personally just hate the butt sleeve on probably 99 percent of their cues.
Kevin
Don't get me wrong the cues play great I personally just hate the butt sleeve on probably 99 percent of their cues.
Kevin
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I own this one and it's one of the nicest cues I have ever held. I don't think it's actually a copy of any particular SouthWest. I just saw it and fell in love and bought it.
It's a Mike Stacey.
When I talked to the seller about it he said that often SouthWest ringwork doesn't line up. I don't know since I have never owned a SouthWest and never held one either. So when I got this cue I checked it very carefully and the rings all line up perfectly when the cue is put together. Only the joint protector's rings don't line up perfectly but I can live with that. Everyone who has seen this cue has complimented me on how nice it is.
So count me as a happy owner of a SouthWest style cue.
It's a Mike Stacey.
When I talked to the seller about it he said that often SouthWest ringwork doesn't line up. I don't know since I have never owned a SouthWest and never held one either. So when I got this cue I checked it very carefully and the rings all line up perfectly when the cue is put together. Only the joint protector's rings don't line up perfectly but I can live with that. Everyone who has seen this cue has complimented me on how nice it is.
So count me as a happy owner of a SouthWest style cue.
here's a good one - story that came with it is that it's a mcdermott prototype, 1 of 4 made, never put in production. mcdermott guy ar sbe told me it could be one of jim's garage cues.
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I own this one and it's one of the nicest cues I have ever held. I don't think it's actually a copy of any particular SouthWest. I just saw it and fell in love and bought it.
It's a Mike Stacey.
When I talked to the seller about it he said that often SouthWest ringwork doesn't line up. I don't know since I have never owned a SouthWest and never held one either. So when I got this cue I checked it very carefully and the rings all line up perfectly when the cue is put together. Only the joint protector's rings don't line up perfectly but I can live with that. Everyone who has seen this cue has complimented me on how nice it is.
So count me as a happy owner of a SouthWest style cue.
Nice looking cue but it sure looks like a copy to me:
http://www.pccues.com/ProductDetails.aspx?productID=851
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"These days".......it's always been the rage, hasn't it?
Here are pics of a few attached below:
1) "North West".....hmmm. *Pics coutesy of Scot's site (Proficientbilliards).
2) On the last pic, are these SW knock off rings or not? Want me to reveal the maker?
Here are pics of a few attached below:
1) "North West".....hmmm. *Pics coutesy of Scot's site (Proficientbilliards).
2) On the last pic, are these SW knock off rings or not? Want me to reveal the maker?
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I wouldn't call them SW rings. Those look more like classic stitch rings with a thin maple ring on both sides.
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Interesting, I was going to post the same Thomas Wayne model
I have the same TW cue only ebony on ebony.
You identified it for me a few years ago.
At least the pins are 3/8-10 stainless, so it's not a complete knockoff.
I never connected the "North West / South West" but it makes sense.
Here's a Paul Mottey cue that kind of resembles South West.
I was just about to post how great I thought that Stacey looked, when someone else posted the link to Chady's pics of the original cue it was copied from. I don't get the exact copies, unless they are 'practice' pieces (like painters do, to develop skills).
That Mottey is very interesting - clearly has SW design elements, but clearly different; i.e-no effort to copy exactly.
That Mottey is very interesting - clearly has SW design elements, but clearly different; i.e-no effort to copy exactly.
I have never seen a SW Knock-off that was near as good as the real deal.
I dont like knock-off any things in life, They are never as good as the real deal. Cloths, luggage, watches, cues, anything. Anyone who blatantly steals someone's product and is costing them their livelihood. Are bottom feeders whom I want nothing to do with them-losers. Unless its market tribute cue then its ok because they arnt taking credit for SW's work
I dont like knock-off any things in life, They are never as good as the real deal. Cloths, luggage, watches, cues, anything. Anyone who blatantly steals someone's product and is costing them their livelihood. Are bottom feeders whom I want nothing to do with them-losers. Unless its market tribute cue then its ok because they arnt taking credit for SW's work
If you go to Scot's site there is an ebony on ebony McWester.... (but these guys are geniuses(sp)...)
Can't lead the brigade if you've done it...
JV
Someone commented that they never much liked the SW design, and couldn't understand why anyone would copy it. Back when I was trying out any maker's cues that I could get my hands on (out of genuine curiosity about hit, construction), I felt the same way - really thought the SW design was simplistic and ugly. Well, then I bought one and it played so damned well (i.e-it played like I personally like a cue to play, which doesn't say much), that I gradually began to like the look. There's a subtlety and consistency to it that doesn't allow for copies to work well.
Reminds me of a 'Madmen' episode where someone tried to duplicate Ann Margret's performance of 'Bye Bye Birdy' in a t.v. ad. No one could put their finger on what was wrong with it. Then someone said, "It's not Ann Margret".
That Mottey is the best attempt I've seen so far to use SW design elements. Not knocking the others, but this type of example was why I started this thread.
3 hi and 3 low, separated in a similar fashion to a SW. No joint pic.
JV
JV
Looks fairly close.
Wow! "Knock-offs" and "bottom feeders" in the same sentence, yet we're NOT discussing cases!!! 
-von
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3 hi and 3 low, separated in a similar fashion to a SW. No joint pic.
JV
Jerry's six pointers have six points with veneers and that is where the similarities end. All his joints(shaft and butt) are the same double thin ringed silver. His pin is stainless 3/8-10. Butt caps different....
I've know Jerry for 15 years and he doesn't belong in any thread that suggests he makes knock offs....
He makes six pointers to supply a demand to those who want a McWorter, but cannot afford his more expensive models.
I can also tell you he is pretty sensitive about knock offs after seeing cues with DECALS of his work being sold in Japan.
Are you saying that he thought of the 6 point 3 hi and 3 low point layout? Or the segmented backend that splits the material about 3/4 of the length?
It's very easy to look at this cue and see the South West design "element". Which is what the thread is about.
I have also seen a 6 point veneered Manzino with the same traits.
JV