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Hey everybody
Right now I have a Runde sneaky that is a 3/8-10 and is made out of padauk. Cue hits great but I have this nagging feeling in the back of my head that it is falling a little short because of the padauk... I dont know how to explain it.

I am panning on selling off a schon here pretty quick, I prefer the 3/8-10 joint now, to most likely pick up a frey SP.

The looks of the wood arent a big thing, just the hit. I am a HUGE fan of ebony forearm schons. So I was concidering an ebony butt frey... will that generally be more butt heavy?

What do you guys think about sneaky cue makers and wood choices? I am trying to gain all the knowledge I can get before I buy one since it probably wont be in person.

I have also been looking at Judds too, or anything plain and 3/8.
So, if anyone wants to ditch off a southwest for 400 bucks send me a PM:D
 
Stubs said:
What do you guys think about sneaky cue makers and wood choices? I am trying to gain all the knowledge I can get before I buy one since it probably wont be in person.
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For me it would be ebony into a bocote forearm. Great hitting woods and naturally on the heavy side.

Purpleheart and cocobolo are also excellent choices, IMO.
 
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Stubs said:
Hey everybody
Right now I have a Runde sneaky that is a 3/8-10 and is made out of padauk. Cue hits great but I have this nagging feeling in the back of my head that it is falling a little short because of the padauk... I dont know how to explain it.

I am panning on selling off a schon here pretty quick, I prefer the 3/8-10 joint now, to most likely pick up a frey SP.

The looks of the wood arent a big thing, just the hit. I am a HUGE fan of ebony forearm schons. So I was concidering an ebony butt frey... will that generally be more butt heavy?

What do you guys think about sneaky cue makers and wood choices? I am trying to gain all the knowledge I can get before I buy one since it probably wont be in person.

I have also been looking at Judds too, or anything plain and 3/8.
So, if anyone wants to ditch off a southwest for 400 bucks send me a PM:D
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I can't speak from personal experience here, but I have read quite a few posts about this topic. IIRC, the wood most often mentioned as "best hitting" is bocote. Check this thread for a nice discussion of this topic: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=22543&highlight=bocote
 
Personally I'd go with purpleheart/maple, rosewood/maple, bacote(sp?)/maple

Rosewood just because I like how it looks and hits. Bacote and purpleheart hit better in my humble opinion.

Ebony wouldn't be in my top 10. Sp's are usually balanced a little farther back than other cues, and I've been told they are hard to get them not to be a bit butt heavy.
 
BillPorter said:
I can't speak from personal experience here, but I have read quite a few posts about this topic. IIRC, the wood most often mentioned as "best hitting" is bocote. Check this thread for a nice discussion of this topic: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=22543&highlight=bocote
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I have a bocote handle/points with maple front sneaky now that hits sweet.
Purpleheart, Braz rosewood, olivewood and bubinga are great too.
Padauk is too light and too dull for my taste.
Ebony, me no like.
 
When I had Jerry Franklin build my South West, I told him my primary concern was the quality of the hit. I told him I wanted a stiff playing cue with a hard hit. I wanted resonance I could hear and feel in my shooting hand. He told me the best woods were cocobolo and ebony. I chose cocobolo and surely the cue hits exactly as I hoped it would.

I also have a tulipwoood South West. It's hit is different, but very satisfying as well. The sound, compared to the cocobolo cue, is softer--more of a pong than a ping. This is true even using the same shaft on either butt. Both cues accept all my shafts.

My point is, I think the construction of the cue is more responsible than the choice of wood for a great hit. Though the wood choice may make a subtle difference, the construction seems to be a greater factor. Both the SW cues I have exhibit a hit and resonance I've never experienced with any other cue. On a given day, I may prefer a pong to a ping; each is unique, yet each is superb.
 
Thanks for all of your input guys!

As far as I know right now, I will probably go with a Frey SP. And from you guys, it sounds like bacote is the right way to go.

I figure to get 300 for my schon(CX-01) and I also have a runde 5/16-14 shaft w/ivory to sell too(anyone interested?) plus an extra case.
I figure I will get 400 - 450 for all of it(I hope).

In that price range, or maybe a little more, are there any other ideas you guys have for cue makers? I would like new, if it is used it would have to be a high demand or unique cue. Again, I am mainly concerned with the play and feel.

Stubs
 
JoeyInCali said:
I have a bocote handle/points with maple front sneaky now that hits sweet.
Purpleheart, Braz rosewood, olivewood and bubinga are great too.
Padauk is too light and too dull for my taste.
Ebony, me no like.
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I agree about the padauks weight issue, I am thinking about adding a larger bolt. I wouldn't describe it as dull though... I would call it not very lively.;)
 
Stubs said:
Thanks for all of your input guys!

As far as I know right now, I will probably go with a Frey SP. And from you guys, it sounds like bacote is the right way to go.

I figure to get 300 for my schon(CX-01) and I also have a runde 5/16-14 shaft w/ivory to sell too(anyone interested?) plus an extra case.
I figure I will get 400 - 450 for all of it(I hope).

In that price range, or maybe a little more, are there any other ideas you guys have for cue makers? I would like new, if it is used it would have to be a high demand or unique cue. Again, I am mainly concerned with the play and feel.

Stubs
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I personally like www.dzcues.com better than any I've had. The cues I've had are: many scruggs sp's (if you can get one I'd buy it), schon black widow, huebler, mcdermott, joss, old meucci, and a couple other sneaky's that I can't remember who made them.

Lots of makers of good sp's out there, and the frey's are popular. I've had my dz for about a year and half and have zero complaints. Sold it once, brought it back a week later. Only sold it because I was in a real angry at self mode.
 
Stubs said:
Hey everybody
Right now I have a Runde sneaky that is a 3/8-10 and is made out of padauk. ,,, I was concidering an ebony butt frey... will that generally be more butt heavy?
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Yes. African padauk's specific gravity is 0.737, while the various ebony species range from 0.840-1.079.

An ebony cue may have a quieter hit. Guitar makers say padauk has "a very loud, bell-like tap tone," while ebony "has definite damping characteristics." But since either wood will be in the butt end of a cue, I don't think the choice will make very much difference to the sound or vibration.
 
This McDermott bocote/ebony cue has been selling briskly for around $125, leaving you plenty of cash for a Predator or other low-squirt shaft.

I bought one of these cues for a friend, and it is very sweet.
 
I'm surprised to read that the wood in the points (or handle?) of the butt of the cue would make such a difference in "hit."

I would think the biggest factors in something like that would be

Tip
Shaft Taper
Joint Collars
And perhaps type of Pin..



Everything that far down on the butt of the cue I would think would have more to do with Aesthetics, Balance Point (how heavy the woods are and where they are laid out?)

If the woods would affect the hit, the certainly the designs of the woods (I.E. Floating points, veneers, points that run all the way to the core of the cue etc..) would affect the hit as well?

DJ
 
Stubs said:
Thanks for all of your input guys!

As far as I know right now, I will probably go with a Frey SP. And from you guys, it sounds like bacote is the right way to go.

I figure to get 300 for my schon(CX-01) and I also have a runde 5/16-14 shaft w/ivory to sell too(anyone interested?) plus an extra case.
I figure I will get 400 - 450 for all of it(I hope).

In that price range, or maybe a little more, are there any other ideas you guys have for cue makers? I would like new, if it is used it would have to be a high demand or unique cue. Again, I am mainly concerned with the play and feel.

Stubs
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Stubs, will that Runde shaft fit a standard Schon cue? If so I might be interested in it.

DJ
 
I would highly suggest a Pat Diveney. My wife and I both have playing cues from Pat and both are ebony handle into purpleheart forum. Let me just say they HIT A TON!!!!!!!!!! You would be hard pressed to find anyone better to work with as well.

Hanky
 
heck yeah it does.

That was my every day shaft for my schon. it is a hair smaller dia than schon at the joint. 12.75mm. I bought it with a few spots where the finish lifted a little bit on the collar. oh, the ring work is a little different but still matches(silver ring).

I like the hit with that shaft much more than the original shaft.
let me know what you think.
 
Stubs said:
I agree about the padauks weight issue, I am thinking about adding a larger bolt. I wouldn't describe it as dull though... I would call it not very lively.;)
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Addind a large weight bolt kills the woods' reasonance imho.
 
Stubs said:
heck yeah it does.

That was my every day shaft for my schon. it is a hair smaller dia than schon at the joint. 12.75mm. I bought it with a few spots where the finish lifted a little bit on the collar. oh, the ring work is a little different but still matches(silver ring).

I like the hit with that shaft much more than the original shaft.
let me know what you think.
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Stubs, is 12.75 MM what it measures at the joint collar? As well can you take some pictures of the joint collar for me?

Pm me how much you want for it

DJ
 
Stubs said:
What do you guys think about sneaky cue makers and wood choices? I am trying to gain all the knowledge I can get before I buy one since it probably wont be in person.
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For wood choices I would go for the right piece of birdseye maple and either Brazilian rosewood ($$$ and by far the best tone wood ever) or Madagascar rosewood (less $$$ and the third best tone wood ever).

This is mine and I will put the hit up against ANY other cue out there.
http://www.murraytucker.com/brazfullsplice.htm
 
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